Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-22-2012 | 06:05 PM
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This, as Carl would state, is only "highly opinionated rhetoric"!
Where do you get the assertion from DPA that they WANT TO BE A FIRM ALPA supporter? Because if you ask me, I haven't seen one shred of communication from the DPA CLUB that they're in FULL SUPPORT of D-ALPA during the upcoming Section 6 negotiations.
Opinion.
Your assertion then is that everything D-ALPA was able to negotiate for the group, outside of Section 6 negotiations was for their own interest and not the interest of the pilot group? I hope you're not following your contract or the new LOA's then, because that would mean you're falsely using what was meant for the D-ALPA guys alone, and not yourself or the other 12,000 of your colleagues on the list.
Then get behind ONE GROUP to get that accomplished. I'll fully support an "in-house" union, or change in bargaining agent, during a non-negotiating period.
That's a great question!! I'll be the first person holding the DPA pizza parties in every crew room, at ever base possible if D-ALPA doesn't come through on this contract!! I'll PM you my personal information and you can witness it yourself!! That isn't my point, and not the reason I started posting about DPA in the first place. The main reason was to make sure everyone is unified, behind one agent, when they go to management asking for us to have a SWA-esque contract also.
Scambo, sir, I must respectfully disagree with what I have underlined. Sorry, but I don't believe that 4400 pilots within a group, wanting a different bargaining agent during negotiations is "adding unity" to this group.
Yes we are, and DANG PROUD OF IT!!
Cheers,
GJ
Where do you get the assertion from DPA that they WANT TO BE A FIRM ALPA supporter? Because if you ask me, I haven't seen one shred of communication from the DPA CLUB that they're in FULL SUPPORT of D-ALPA during the upcoming Section 6 negotiations.Opinion.
Your assertion then is that everything D-ALPA was able to negotiate for the group, outside of Section 6 negotiations was for their own interest and not the interest of the pilot group? I hope you're not following your contract or the new LOA's then, because that would mean you're falsely using what was meant for the D-ALPA guys alone, and not yourself or the other 12,000 of your colleagues on the list.
Then get behind ONE GROUP to get that accomplished. I'll fully support an "in-house" union, or change in bargaining agent, during a non-negotiating period.
That's a great question!! I'll be the first person holding the DPA pizza parties in every crew room, at ever base possible if D-ALPA doesn't come through on this contract!! I'll PM you my personal information and you can witness it yourself!! That isn't my point, and not the reason I started posting about DPA in the first place. The main reason was to make sure everyone is unified, behind one agent, when they go to management asking for us to have a SWA-esque contract also.
Scambo, sir, I must respectfully disagree with what I have underlined. Sorry, but I don't believe that 4400 pilots within a group, wanting a different bargaining agent during negotiations is "adding unity" to this group.
Yes we are, and DANG PROUD OF IT!!
Cheers,
GJ
I'm not posting to play back and forth on semantics.
DPA exists because people have lost FAITH in DALPA/ALPA. There is no other reason. It is from this reality that I drew my conclusion that DPA supporters want to be ALPA supporters - they have however lost faith. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the DALPA volunteers who's goals for the pilot group are pure...like the SOT or the bid monitors or any number of other groups.
It is clear that DALPA will be negotiating the contract. Everyone HAS to be behind them for that. If you cannot understand how we can have unity for that just because people have sent in DPA cards, well, I cannot help you.
However, the administration on up through national have a long way to go before they have my trust. I do not believe the motives of many among them are pure and instead are often self-serving or ALPA the corporation serving.
02-22-2012 | 06:09 PM
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A few minutes ago Carl? Your time/space continuum is skewed, as I wrote the original "hypothetical scenarios" at 11:54a. We started discussing the issue again at 5:18p.
Hope your math is better in the cockpit there, senior.
GJ
02-22-2012 | 06:11 PM
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Boooorrrrriiiiinnnnnggggg....
02-22-2012 | 06:12 PM
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02-22-2012 | 06:20 PM
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So quit responding then, because just like the "gopher hunter" does to the D-ALPA guys each time, I'll show you the "holes in your position", or the "err of your ways", as Carl would probably put it.
Fairly definitive opinion. Have you polled the 44000 pilots submitting DPA cards?
Wrong. A persons opinion doesn't equate to the "reality" of the situation. It may be a "perspective on what that particular person believes to be true", but is never the "REALITY". (Have you ever heard the saying there is always three sides to the story? His side, her side, and the truth!)
Who's = who is
Whose = whose
Just like I cannot (or can't) help you with your grammar Mr. 777 pilot? Grow up and leave the personal jabs at home. That's why DAL88 isn't posting anymore.
Then volunteer. Show the group that your motives can be "pure" instead of "self-serving" like the others you claim. Quit your b!tching, and join the cause instead of sitting in the stands and throwing peanuts.
GJ
Whose = whose
) help you with your grammar Mr. 777 pilot? Grow up and leave the personal jabs at home. That's why DAL88 isn't posting anymore.GJ
02-22-2012 | 06:24 PM
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I'm done for the evening. Good night all. Going to watch the GOP Debate (set the DVR to record it earlier) with the most beautiful lady I know! Guarantee she's much more professional than the personal jabs I've taken tonight from 88 and Scambo, just because someone has a dissenting opinion to theirs.
GJ
Guarantee she's much more professional than the personal jabs I've taken tonight from 88 and Scambo, just because someone has a dissenting opinion to theirs. GJ
02-22-2012 | 06:25 PM
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02-22-2012 | 06:30 PM
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So quit responding then, because just like the "gopher hunter" does to the D-ALPA guys each time, I'll show you the "holes in your position", or the "err of your ways", as Carl would probably put it.
Fairly definitive opinion. Have you polled the 44000 pilots submitting DPA cards?
Wrong. A persons opinion doesn't equate to the "reality" of the situation. It may be a "perspective on what that particular person believes to be true", but is never the "REALITY". (Have you ever heard the saying there is always three sides to the story? His side, her side, and the truth!)
Who's = who is
Whose = whose
Just like I cannot (or can't) help you with your grammar Mr. 777 pilot? Grow up and leave the personal jabs at home. That's why DAL88 isn't posting anymore.
Then volunteer. Show the group that your motives can be "pure" instead of "self-serving" like the others you claim. Quit your b!tching, and join the cause instead of sitting in the stands and throwing peanuts.
GJ
Fairly definitive opinion. Have you polled the 44000 pilots submitting DPA cards?
Wrong. A persons opinion doesn't equate to the "reality" of the situation. It may be a "perspective on what that particular person believes to be true", but is never the "REALITY". (Have you ever heard the saying there is always three sides to the story? His side, her side, and the truth!)
Who's = who is
Whose = whose
Just like I cannot (or can't
) help you with your grammar Mr. 777 pilot? Grow up and leave the personal jabs at home. That's why DAL88 isn't posting anymore.Then volunteer. Show the group that your motives can be "pure" instead of "self-serving" like the others you claim. Quit your b!tching, and join the cause instead of sitting in the stands and throwing peanuts.
GJ
02-22-2012 | 06:30 PM
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That's old info
Delta flight 1243 is pulled from GDS after June 7, 2012. (it's the same flight number 1243 for both legs)
go ahead try to book it on Delta.com...
FWIW Virgin America service begins April 4, 2012
Cheers
George
P.S. AFAIK the flight was offered up as an example to show how Delta is adding new flights to LAX, I know you know better, Buzz ;-)
Delta flight 1243 is pulled from GDS after June 7, 2012. (it's the same flight number 1243 for both legs)
go ahead try to book it on Delta.com...
FWIW Virgin America service begins April 4, 2012
Cheers
George
P.S. AFAIK the flight was offered up as an example to show how Delta is adding new flights to LAX, I know you know better, Buzz ;-)
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02-22-2012 | 06:36 PM
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Again, I don't eat crow for statements that aren't mine. The council 20 chairman has made this statement, and nobody from the MEC has written anything to refute it. I'd love to see the opener. I've always seen the opener in every single Section 6. But the only thing I've seen in writing from a member of the MEC says that we will not.
Carl
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As I stated above, and to obey 80's wishes, I'm done arguing with you about this subject.
The DPA drive DOES NOT garner unity within our group. No matter what you and/or Scambo say, having 4400 pilots express their "lack of support" with our bargaining agent, in a time when we all need to be behind one common goal, is a danger path to go down.
Oh, and I just read the Chairman's Letter again. (It's dated October 17, 2011.) I believe you're wrong and we will see the opener, AFTER they have been shared with the company. The letter doesn't say anything about "never" seeing the opener. You're making that assumption, and skewing it as fact because of your interpretation of the Chairman's Letter.
GJ
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