Originally Posted by PilotFrog

I think we have to bring the attention of how much the difference between SWA Capts and DAL Capts pay rates are. Now while sitting in ATL, I think I WILL let all the SWA jets cut me off on the radio and taxi in front of me so I can sit there and tell the Capt, "I let him in front because he makes more than you"..

Originally Posted by gloopy

I agree 100% with those goals.

But is ALPA even interested, willing or able to deliver this though? If we reign in the AS code share abuse, doesn't ALPA have to sign off on something that "harms" another ALPA group? If we reign in RJ outsourcing, doesn't ALPA have to do the same thing?

Speaking of the insane 255 modern DC-9-10 fleet at the DCIs, a large portion of which are ALPA, has DALPA "met and conferred" with the other MEC's yet?

If not, when? If so, what was said?

If we "aren't allowed to know" then that means DCI MEC's will be privy to DALPA negotiating strategies and knowledge that the DL pilots won't be allowed to know.

Likewise, regardless of the secrecy of it all, if C2012 does not significantly reduce outsourcing (or maybe doesn't even reduce it at all!) a very strong case can be made for the inherent ALPA conflict of interest that many, DPA supporters or not, have been saying is an irreconcilable flaw to begin with.

Ask yourself if you really have faith in ALPA national and/or DALPA (at all levels, not just some great reps here or there, which DALPA absolutely does have) to be willing and able to fight hard for scope recapture. Many doubt ALPA at any level has that resolve and/or ability but that's technically just opinion at this point. But the comprehensive lack of specifics is a fact.

When we ask ALPA/DALPA about scope recapture we get responses that would rival a career politician with a glass of water sitting at a long table in front of a Congressional inquiry.

Now, maybe ALPA/DALPA will hit a home run WRT all the things you mentioned, including scope. But if that doesn't happen, and maybe even if things get worse (but even if they stay at the same level of unacceptability) then will it be better or worse to at that point have a potential alternative that's ben saying "see I told you so" that at least has some momentum and 4000 cards already in the cue, or have to start over on the ground floor? Or try Teamsters? Or another in house? Or go rogue with TWU?

I don't think the "donut" drive is much of a threat if ALPA/DALPA does right by this pilot group. It will fizzle out on its own at that point, as it should. But if we don't take a VERY significant bite out of outsourcing, its may be time to call BINGO and go to an alternate.

Originally Posted by Launchpad475

People look at me like I'm a limo driver when I wear it, and a normal human being when I don't.

Set the parking brake if your that upset about it, I could give a sh!t when you think I should and should not wear my hat lol.

I left it at F4 the other day in MSP, CPSC called a bunch of times and then it just ended up on my doorstep 2 time zones away. Like the worst boomerang I've ever had!

relax-

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

This is my line of thinking as well. Also, I think this notion that there cannot be unity behind ALPA's push for a great contract with DPA in the wings is pure nonsense. I actually see it as a positive, giving management more incentive to bargain in good faith. You see, management would prefer ALPA over any other so called "rogue" union. They are smart enough to know if ALPA drops the ball they will get something other than ALPA in short order. Having DPA as a quick viable option helps keep ALPA and management honest during contract 2012 negotiations. That's my two bits.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog

On another note I might be moving to the DTW area soon. Wondering if any of the locals can tell me the nice areas to live, good school districts, etc. Also will consider northern OH,
Ann Arbor, north of DTW, any advice is welcome, thanks PMs are welcome.

Originally Posted by tsquare

"relax" Now that is funny coming from a guy that just posted using an expletive concerning the entire discussion. Oh, and the proper use of the phrase is "couldn't give a ___" If you could, that means that.. well.. you could actually care less.. or give a ___.. or whatever. Just trying to help.

I find it incredibly funny.. no... sad.. that so many are so offended by the hat.. it's just a hat. It does not define who I am, but I am paid to wear it, and when it is no longer a part of the uniform, I might use mine for a Starbucks tray too... Again, just trying to help.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

That's fine, but first...show me the:






Then show me the:





And if not, hand me my:





Carl

Originally Posted by PilotFrog

On another note I might be moving to the DTW area soon. Wondering if any of the locals can tell me the nice areas to live, good school districts, etc. Also will consider northern OH,
Ann Arbor, north of DTW, any advice is welcome, thanks PMs are welcome.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

This is my line of thinking as well. Also, I think this notion that there cannot be unity behind ALPA's push for a great contract with DPA in the wings is pure nonsense. I actually see it as a positive, giving management more incentive to bargain in good faith. You see, management would prefer ALPA over any other so called "rogue" union. They are smart enough to know if ALPA drops the ball they will get something other than ALPA in short order.

Having DPA as a quick viable option helps keep ALPA and management honest during contract 2012 negotiations. Let me also add, there seems to be a genuine lack of leadership from ALPA coming up to this contract. So far by what has been said (but more by what has not been said) most of the pilots I have talked with feel isolated from the process and disillusioned by the unknown goals. ALPA guys here complain about lack of unity yet their words and actions seem to be one of the biggest catalysts for such. That's my two bits.