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Old 02-27-2012, 07:32 PM
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Well, you can ski for 2 hours for about $70, then go to the beach to warm up.

I'd hate to try to squeeze lunch in there! Flat Stanley loves it!

But he loved drinking and dancing in Sticky Fingers in Hong Kong even more...

Dubai Mall Ski Slope - YouTube

And here's what it looks like coming down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DycMJ...eature=related

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Old 02-27-2012, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Sorry Carl, I never saw the question. I don't read every post. I have however many times posted my thoughts on scope. In fact had you bothered to look you would have noted I made a post with my thoughts on scope just two days ago.
Bar's question wasn't about what you think about scope. The question was whether you had any tidbits on what the MEC thinks about scope. We are forced to ask these questions of people like you who appear to have strong inside knowledge of the MEC, because the MEC is STONE SILENT on scope.

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Now Carl, Back to my question? Which Rep, Which Base?
I don't know who Bill heard that from. I wasn't there. But it sounds EXACTLY like the chairman at my base. The former vice chairman (who stepped down due to bidding to NYC) changed his speech depending on the audience. The new vice chairman has been non-committal thus far.

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Old 02-27-2012, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ View Post
A friend who started at SWA just before I started here (about 4 years ago) grossed $16,000 last month. Not even working that hard. Please pass that on to the captains you fly with. How many years at Delta would that take right now? 15? 20? And he is flying a 737. All domestic. How long until openers?
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12year 777A makes about 15k a month on reserve.
Eeeeee-yup!

Yet we still have guys only willing to talk about how AMR is a "game changer". The troubling fact is that we have too high a percentage of pilots at this airline that are afraid of their own shadows. I truly believe they are in the minority, but it's still too d@mn high.

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Old 02-27-2012, 08:45 PM
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Count to 3.

1, 2, EARNHARDT!

BOOM!


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Old 02-28-2012, 02:18 AM
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Dude, you need to get her over there, take her to the mall, let her go skiing! Then take her to the beach, all in the same day!

And if you want to pitch the PTC angle, say, "It'll be just like PTC, without all the a-holes."
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog View Post
Just attempted to have the Emirates conversation with the wife. Apparently my, "It'll be just like Peachtree City on the beach" sales pitch lacks polish....

Fly her over there. Take a vacation on the beach, and if you need some people to show you the city, let me know. I know a few ppl over there that have multiple kids, so they can even talk about schools, and like with you gone.

DXB has a much better activities list than PTC
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
Bar's question wasn't about what you think about scope. The question was whether you had any tidbits on what the MEC thinks about scope. We are forced to ask these questions of people like you who appear to have strong inside knowledge of the MEC, because the MEC is STONE SILENT on scope.



I don't know who Bill heard that from. I wasn't there. But it sounds EXACTLY like the chairman at my base. The former vice chairman (who stepped down due to bidding to NYC) changed his speech depending on the audience. The new vice chairman has been non-committal thus far.

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I don't know what the MEC's opener on scope will be. It should reflect the wishes of the pilots via the contract survey. I have not spoken with a single rep who is willing to give anything up in scope.
The only portion of the survey I have any knowledge of is some idea of where the pay raise numbers came in at. I have also heard that the overall cost per block hour numbers for 2011 especially between DAL and SWA will be surprising and not in our favor with openers being exchanged. We had a large amount of overtime flying in 2011 combined with the 4 percent raise moved the DAL number up quite a bit more then SW. We are not ahead of them but the difference narrowed a lot.
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Old 02-28-2012, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
12year 777A makes about 15k a month on reserve.
Roger, that's what the payscale shows. But do we have 12-year guys - 2000 hires - sitting left seat on 777? Disclaimer - I haven't checked the list. If so, I doubt it's very many of them. The stagnation has done more to harm our paychecks than sub-SWA payrates, I think.
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Old 02-28-2012, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ View Post
Roger, that's what the payscale shows. But do we have 12-year guys - 2000 hires - sitting left seat on 777? Disclaimer - I haven't checked the list. If so, I doubt it's very many of them. The stagnation has done more to harm our paychecks than sub-SWA payrates, I think.
No, but you have guys on 12 year pay sitting in the left seat. Making the top rate at 70 hrs for months on end, effectively making 15K a month.
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Old 02-28-2012, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I don't know what the MEC's opener on scope will be. It should reflect the wishes of the pilots via the contract survey. I have not spoken with a single rep who is willing to give anything up in scope.
Me either. My Reps think of some things beyond what we discuss here ... like the Virgin Blue JV. ... We need "inclusive" language that makes these JV's "ours" by default. At least something that gives us automatic production balancing and an equitable position on future growth.

It will be interesting to see the Company's position on scope. Management has been talking about the 100 to 130 seat market. They admit there is a hole, but that they do not like the available options out there. (They should say they love the 717 and would be willing to pay a ransom for it ... just to screw with SWA's lease renewals )


My contention has always been that management bough two different 100 seat types, we just don't fly them. We might can gauge management's desire for a 100 to 130 seat aircraft by watching their moves on the opener for the 76 to 100 seat flying.
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