Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-04-2012, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Very true. As for the Mahogany Row Road Trip, could be a contract offer to kick the can down the road until the industry calms down. Management every where is intensely focused on who's going to operate the 100 seaters. As you know, some regional carriers are already holding orders. Also, a change in Executive Leadership would not surprise me.
I'm all for the exact contract strategy you've laid out. Although, other MEC's and Representative bodies face the same issues we do. The risk with kicking the can down the road is that American, United or US Air, will give up more scope than they already have.
I'm all for the exact contract strategy you've laid out. Although, other MEC's and Representative bodies face the same issues we do. The risk with kicking the can down the road is that American, United or US Air, will give up more scope than they already have.
03-04-2012, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
From the "weekly update"
question for DALPA (since presumably you are tracking this): how does that compare to KLM/AF?
question for DALPA (since presumably you are tracking this): how does that compare to KLM/AF?
How does it compare to Comair too?
okay I was being a smarta$$.
Can we or can we not fly transatlantic flights OUTSIDE or the AF/KLM JV (like only as Delta Air Lines)?
03-04-2012, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
How does it compare to Comair too?
okay I was being a smarta$$.
Can we or can we not fly transatlantic flights OUTSIDE or the AF/KLM JV (like only as Delta Air Lines)?
okay I was being a smarta$$.
Can we or can we not fly transatlantic flights OUTSIDE or the AF/KLM JV (like only as Delta Air Lines)?
03-04-2012, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Two additional questions if you don't mind:
1. Where in your opinion does the Delta MEC stand on scope recapture for this contract?
2. Given that another tie up (ie Delta and American) would likely cause further stagnation for Delta pilots... why, outside of "a healthy company = job security", would any Delta pilots not fight said tie up in the form of "keep Delta my Delta" and "show me advancement and the money"?
If those questions are unclear please let me know and I will try again? Thanks
PS- some might dissagree but I believe for a DAL/AA tie up to happen the company would need the pilots on board. If our pilot group was not on board and explained in a very public way how these mergers lead to overall job losses, etc., based on historical data, the current administration may not go along with it.
1. Where in your opinion does the Delta MEC stand on scope recapture for this contract?
2. Given that another tie up (ie Delta and American) would likely cause further stagnation for Delta pilots... why, outside of "a healthy company = job security", would any Delta pilots not fight said tie up in the form of "keep Delta my Delta" and "show me advancement and the money"?
If those questions are unclear please let me know and I will try again? Thanks
PS- some might dissagree but I believe for a DAL/AA tie up to happen the company would need the pilots on board. If our pilot group was not on board and explained in a very public way how these mergers lead to overall job losses, etc., based on historical data, the current administration may not go along with it.
I don't know what the MEC opener on scope will be. I know that every rep I have spoken with understands its a top priority and I have not heard a single rep even imply we will give up anything in scope.
I have talked with a couple of people about another merger. It would be smoother for the company to have us working with them on a merger. They don't however require our permission and could easily do a hostile merger so to speak without our cooperation. I will send you a PM on more about one issue.
03-04-2012, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Yes and we do. We get three Flight a year that are removed from bundle 1. Also the JV is Europe but we fly other flights that fly the Atlantic that do not land in Europe that are not part of Bundle 1. Not many but a few.
03-04-2012, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
From the "weekly update"
question for DALPA (since presumably you are tracking this): how does that compare to KLM/AF?
question for DALPA (since presumably you are tracking this): how does that compare to KLM/AF?
03-04-2012, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
AF/KLM is losing big $$$ right now. I see things coming back our way soon. They're replacing airplanes, not growing.
That's no excuse for the contractually out-of-limits flying balance we're currently subjected to...which is why I brought it up.
I don't care if they're losing money.
03-04-2012, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
That's no excuse for the contractually out-of-limits flying balance we're currently subjected to...which is why I brought it up.
I don't care if they're losing money.
I don't care if they're losing money.
03-04-2012, 01:17 PM
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Hmmm, lots of poo flinging these days....
Here's a quick reference chart so you can keep track:
Here's a quick reference chart so you can keep track:
03-04-2012, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
The fact that we're worried about his speaks volumes about our (lack of) confidence in DALPA's ability to hold the line--let alone tighten up--on scope.
I'm trying to help ya out brother. You can just use the number instead of typing so much..
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