Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-23-2012, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
FTB is now cleaning the house.
I talked to the wife.
She said, why would you want to be on the internet instead of cleaning the house?
Actually I don't know what she said. I just had the sudden urge to do something, so now I'm cleaning.
I talked to the wife.
She said, why would you want to be on the internet instead of cleaning the house?
Actually I don't know what she said. I just had the sudden urge to do something, so now I'm cleaning.
I knew you'd regret putting that in writing.
Carl
04-23-2012, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I had a layover in MCO last trip and also marveled at the size of the MCO operation. It sure would make sense to open up a base there... and boy would it go senior!
04-23-2012, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
OK first of all there is no money in Florida. None. And forget about Florida to Europe. There is absolutely zero money there, as evidenced by the high number of money losing super premium widebodies there at any given time. They are only doing those money losing routes to help repay their WWI/II and subsequent perpetual defense debts to us. They are doing us a favor. Likewise, Florida bases are why SWA and JB are about to liquidate.
There is NO MONEY IN FLORIDA!!!!
Srsly though I think we're being indirectly penalized to fund the never ending marketing blank check that's been given. Fly anything, anywhere, regardless of trip construction, pilot productivity or basing, that generates one penny more revenue. So every city gets every plane in the fleet and nothing makes sense for a base for any one of them. Then the company squeals about how unproductive we are with all the low credit days and long sits and overnights because of the marketing situation they created along with their choice to have a zillion fleet types in the first place. They then pile on that said lack of productivity is the reason we can't achieve profitable LCC parity, but maybe we can scrounge up some used fleet refreshment jets at the bottom end for 10 million each, but only if we can order and outsource more 20-40 million dollar "RJ's".
canihazMBA?
There is NO MONEY IN FLORIDA!!!!
Srsly though I think we're being indirectly penalized to fund the never ending marketing blank check that's been given. Fly anything, anywhere, regardless of trip construction, pilot productivity or basing, that generates one penny more revenue. So every city gets every plane in the fleet and nothing makes sense for a base for any one of them. Then the company squeals about how unproductive we are with all the low credit days and long sits and overnights because of the marketing situation they created along with their choice to have a zillion fleet types in the first place. They then pile on that said lack of productivity is the reason we can't achieve profitable LCC parity, but maybe we can scrounge up some used fleet refreshment jets at the bottom end for 10 million each, but only if we can order and outsource more 20-40 million dollar "RJ's".
canihazMBA?
When I was a newb, I was based in MIA, then later BOS. Most of what DAL (and EAL) did was fly 727's and L10-11's, BOS/LGA to MIA, FLL, MCO, TPA, PBI. I remember reading in Airline Pilot mag, that at that time, the North East to FLorida market was 40% of all US Domestic passengers!
Every night in BOS there were 5 L10-11's parked there, all going to Florida the next morning, and there were more parked at BDL, which would go directly to BOS or LGA in the morning, then on to FLL, PBI, MIA. For a while DAL was flying L15's from MCO to London and Frankfurt as well.
Oh...and up until Mo'Ron took over, and bought Pan Am, (1991) Delta had NEVER lost money, ever. Then Mo'Ron started buying MD-11's and trying to "Rule the World" and well...that's when the furloughs started.
Funny how Delta was able to make money in the North East-Florida market back then, even with People Express selling seats in that same market, for $19.
04-23-2012, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
I think LW sucks. My back and shoulder are hurting (maybe its from the ER seats). The thing bends and breaks and cuts up my car's interior. The funny thing is the zippers/tracks are breaking too.
I bought the thing because, like a sheep, I noticed almost every pilot had one.
Im going back to my Travel Pro 22 suiter. It lasted over 15 years (two complimentary repairs) and it fit a little more than my LW. Plus it was light and I had never had a zipper issue.
The 22 TP cost $99 and will be cheaper to buy than fix the LW.
Again, this is my opinion based on owning both bags.
TEN
I bought the thing because, like a sheep, I noticed almost every pilot had one.
Im going back to my Travel Pro 22 suiter. It lasted over 15 years (two complimentary repairs) and it fit a little more than my LW. Plus it was light and I had never had a zipper issue.
The 22 TP cost $99 and will be cheaper to buy than fix the LW.
Again, this is my opinion based on owning both bags.
TEN
04-23-2012, 12:36 PM
seeing the large hubs...
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
FTB is now cleaning the house.
I talked to the wife.
She said, why would you want to be on the internet instead of cleaning the house?
Actually I don't know what she said. I just had the sudden urge to do something, so now I'm cleaning.
I talked to the wife.
She said, why would you want to be on the internet instead of cleaning the house?
Actually I don't know what she said. I just had the sudden urge to do something, so now I'm cleaning.
04-23-2012, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
FTB is now cleaning the house.
I talked to the wife.
She said, why would you want to be on the internet instead of cleaning the house?
Actually I don't know what she said. I just had the sudden urge to do something, so now I'm cleaning.
I talked to the wife.
She said, why would you want to be on the internet instead of cleaning the house?
Actually I don't know what she said. I just had the sudden urge to do something, so now I'm cleaning.
Here's one just for you FTB, but I think every married guy has been there! And for you Single Guys..."Remember this face!"
Sam Kinison - HBO special - YouTube
04-23-2012, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Here's one just for you FTB, but I think every married guy has been there! And for you Single Guys..."Remember this face!"
Sam Kinison - HBO special - YouTube
Sam Kinison - HBO special - YouTube
ask yourself, do you want to see this every morning?
yes?
well, it's easy. do you look like this and make millions upon millions of dollars in hollywood?
if not, you're out of luck.
now you can come close, but wait til niether of you have slept all night, all week, all month, for a year... for years!!!
04-23-2012, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
now now, single guys, marriage is a blast. you just have to marry the right person. then you won't be screaming in the mirror.
ask yourself, do you want to see this every morning?
yes?
well, it's easy. do you look like this and make millions upon millions of dollars in hollywood?
if not, you're out of luck.
now you can come close, but wait til niether of you have slept all night, all week, all month, for a year... for years!!!
ask yourself, do you want to see this every morning?
yes?
well, it's easy. do you look like this and make millions upon millions of dollars in hollywood?
if not, you're out of luck.
now you can come close, but wait til niether of you have slept all night, all week, all month, for a year... for years!!!
Hey, my wife looks just like that, and I look just like him...
As soon as we turn the lights off!
You heard the one about the long married couple having sex...and after a good amount of trying, it's just not happening, and the wife says to the husband,
"What's the matter honey, you can't think of anyone else either?"
04-23-2012, 01:33 PM
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787
Wonder how many pax that will not be going through ATL or DTW to get to Tokyo.
Sunday marked the first U.S. passenger flight for Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner, with Japan Airlines flying non-stop between Tokyo and Boston. The airline is the second to receive the efficient new composite airliner after fellow Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways. But JAL is the first to fly the Dreamliner to a U.S. city. The flight also marks Boston’s first non-stop service to Asia and the 787′s first transpacific flight.
The 787 is the first airliner built with a composite fuselage. The use of composites, including the sleek wing which flexes upwards during flight, together with efficient new engines and improved design puts the Dreamliner at the forefront of the growing trend towards fuel efficiency in aircraft development. Smaller than Boeing’s 777, the 787 is designed to use its efficiency to open new routes for airlines where the reduced fuel costs help justify pairing together cities that previously haven’t been connected by non-stop flights.
But the route to service for Boeing’s new airplane has not been easy. Manufacturing of the airplane’s various sections took place around the world and led to several setbacks. The airplane began passenger service in Japan last fall, and its first flights to Europe in January were years behind schedule. The problems of producing a new airliner aren’t unique to Boeing. European rival Airbus faced delays with its superjumbo A380, and the company’s new 787 competitor – the composite A350 XWB – has also faced delays as it prepares for its first test flight later this year.
The Tokyo-Boston route is an example of the route Boeing had in mind when it decided to build the 787. Instead of deciding to manufacturer a much larger airplane to compete with the A380, which relies more on a hub and spoke system of airports, Boeing wanted to focus on efficiency that could link more cities together with non-stop service in a smaller airplane.
The 12- to 13-hour flight for Japan Airlines to Boston fills a void that airlines were not able to justify with a bigger aircraft. Boeing has delivered nine of the Dreamliners so far with more than 850 currently on order. All of the 787s flying at this point have been produced at the company’s factory north of Seattle, but this Friday Boeing will roll out its first 787 produced at its new South Carolina factory. The company will continue production at both facilities.
Sunday marked the first U.S. passenger flight for Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner, with Japan Airlines flying non-stop between Tokyo and Boston. The airline is the second to receive the efficient new composite airliner after fellow Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways. But JAL is the first to fly the Dreamliner to a U.S. city. The flight also marks Boston’s first non-stop service to Asia and the 787′s first transpacific flight.
The 787 is the first airliner built with a composite fuselage. The use of composites, including the sleek wing which flexes upwards during flight, together with efficient new engines and improved design puts the Dreamliner at the forefront of the growing trend towards fuel efficiency in aircraft development. Smaller than Boeing’s 777, the 787 is designed to use its efficiency to open new routes for airlines where the reduced fuel costs help justify pairing together cities that previously haven’t been connected by non-stop flights.
But the route to service for Boeing’s new airplane has not been easy. Manufacturing of the airplane’s various sections took place around the world and led to several setbacks. The airplane began passenger service in Japan last fall, and its first flights to Europe in January were years behind schedule. The problems of producing a new airliner aren’t unique to Boeing. European rival Airbus faced delays with its superjumbo A380, and the company’s new 787 competitor – the composite A350 XWB – has also faced delays as it prepares for its first test flight later this year.
The Tokyo-Boston route is an example of the route Boeing had in mind when it decided to build the 787. Instead of deciding to manufacturer a much larger airplane to compete with the A380, which relies more on a hub and spoke system of airports, Boeing wanted to focus on efficiency that could link more cities together with non-stop service in a smaller airplane.
The 12- to 13-hour flight for Japan Airlines to Boston fills a void that airlines were not able to justify with a bigger aircraft. Boeing has delivered nine of the Dreamliners so far with more than 850 currently on order. All of the 787s flying at this point have been produced at the company’s factory north of Seattle, but this Friday Boeing will roll out its first 787 produced at its new South Carolina factory. The company will continue production at both facilities.
04-23-2012, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Wonder how many pax that will not be going through ATL or DTW to get to Tokyo.
Sunday marked the first U.S. passenger flight for Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner, with Japan Airlines flying non-stop between Tokyo and Boston. The airline is the second to receive the efficient new composite airliner after fellow Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways. But JAL is the first to fly the Dreamliner to a U.S. city. The flight also marks Boston’s first non-stop service to Asia and the 787′s first transpacific flight.
The 787 is the first airliner built with a composite fuselage. The use of composites, including the sleek wing which flexes upwards during flight, together with efficient new engines and improved design puts the Dreamliner at the forefront of the growing trend towards fuel efficiency in aircraft development. Smaller than Boeing’s 777, the 787 is designed to use its efficiency to open new routes for airlines where the reduced fuel costs help justify pairing together cities that previously haven’t been connected by non-stop flights.
But the route to service for Boeing’s new airplane has not been easy. Manufacturing of the airplane’s various sections took place around the world and led to several setbacks. The airplane began passenger service in Japan last fall, and its first flights to Europe in January were years behind schedule. The problems of producing a new airliner aren’t unique to Boeing. European rival Airbus faced delays with its superjumbo A380, and the company’s new 787 competitor – the composite A350 XWB – has also faced delays as it prepares for its first test flight later this year.
The Tokyo-Boston route is an example of the route Boeing had in mind when it decided to build the 787. Instead of deciding to manufacturer a much larger airplane to compete with the A380, which relies more on a hub and spoke system of airports, Boeing wanted to focus on efficiency that could link more cities together with non-stop service in a smaller airplane.
The 12- to 13-hour flight for Japan Airlines to Boston fills a void that airlines were not able to justify with a bigger aircraft. Boeing has delivered nine of the Dreamliners so far with more than 850 currently on order. All of the 787s flying at this point have been produced at the company’s factory north of Seattle, but this Friday Boeing will roll out its first 787 produced at its new South Carolina factory. The company will continue production at both facilities.
Sunday marked the first U.S. passenger flight for Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner, with Japan Airlines flying non-stop between Tokyo and Boston. The airline is the second to receive the efficient new composite airliner after fellow Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways. But JAL is the first to fly the Dreamliner to a U.S. city. The flight also marks Boston’s first non-stop service to Asia and the 787′s first transpacific flight.
The 787 is the first airliner built with a composite fuselage. The use of composites, including the sleek wing which flexes upwards during flight, together with efficient new engines and improved design puts the Dreamliner at the forefront of the growing trend towards fuel efficiency in aircraft development. Smaller than Boeing’s 777, the 787 is designed to use its efficiency to open new routes for airlines where the reduced fuel costs help justify pairing together cities that previously haven’t been connected by non-stop flights.
But the route to service for Boeing’s new airplane has not been easy. Manufacturing of the airplane’s various sections took place around the world and led to several setbacks. The airplane began passenger service in Japan last fall, and its first flights to Europe in January were years behind schedule. The problems of producing a new airliner aren’t unique to Boeing. European rival Airbus faced delays with its superjumbo A380, and the company’s new 787 competitor – the composite A350 XWB – has also faced delays as it prepares for its first test flight later this year.
The Tokyo-Boston route is an example of the route Boeing had in mind when it decided to build the 787. Instead of deciding to manufacturer a much larger airplane to compete with the A380, which relies more on a hub and spoke system of airports, Boeing wanted to focus on efficiency that could link more cities together with non-stop service in a smaller airplane.
The 12- to 13-hour flight for Japan Airlines to Boston fills a void that airlines were not able to justify with a bigger aircraft. Boeing has delivered nine of the Dreamliners so far with more than 850 currently on order. All of the 787s flying at this point have been produced at the company’s factory north of Seattle, but this Friday Boeing will roll out its first 787 produced at its new South Carolina factory. The company will continue production at both facilities.
No money in BOS, no money in 787, ergo Japan Airlines, fed by JB's superhub in BOS, is sure to go bankrupt. However if we cull capacity faster than other airlines can add it, we will reap a revenue premium. For a little bit at least. What happens then is someone else's problem now hurry up and cash those bonus checks.
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