Priceless :)

Fly her over there. Take a vacation on the beach, and if you need some people to show you the city, let me know. I know a few ppl over there that have multiple kids, so they can even talk about schools, and like with you gone.

DXB has a much better activities list than PTC :D

I don't know what the MEC's opener on scope will be. It should reflect the wishes of the pilots via the contract survey. I have not spoken with a single rep who is willing to give anything up in scope.
The only portion of the survey I have any knowledge of is some idea of where the pay raise numbers came in at. I have also heard that the overall cost per block hour numbers for 2011 especially between DAL and SWA will be surprising and not in our favor with openers being exchanged. We had a large amount of overtime flying in 2011 combined with the 4 percent raise moved the DAL number up quite a bit more then SW. We are not ahead of them but the difference narrowed a lot.

Roger, that's what the payscale shows. But do we have 12-year guys - 2000 hires - sitting left seat on 777? Disclaimer - I haven't checked the list. If so, I doubt it's very many of them. The stagnation has done more to harm our paychecks than sub-SWA payrates, I think.

No, but you have guys on 12 year pay sitting in the left seat. Making the top rate at 70 hrs for months on end, effectively making 15K a month.

Me either. My Reps think of some things beyond what we discuss here ... like the Virgin Blue JV. ... We need "inclusive" language that makes these JV's "ours" by default. At least something that gives us automatic production balancing and an equitable position on future growth.

It will be interesting to see the Company's position on scope. Management has been talking about the 100 to 130 seat market. They admit there is a hole, but that they do not like the available options out there. (They should say they love the 717 and would be willing to pay a ransom for it ... just to screw with SWA's lease renewals :))


My contention has always been that management bough two different 100 seat types, we just don't fly them. We might can gauge management's desire for a 100 to 130 seat aircraft by watching their moves on the opener for the 76 to 100 seat flying.

Well, yeah but it takes 20 - 30 years to make 777 CA. He was talking about a 4 year FO.

Sailing,

Isn't that a result of inefficiency due to shrinkage? My Delta experience has not been particularly productive, with 4 full aircraft training courses in < 5 years as a result of repeated displacements. (figuring March bid will be another displacement)

If so, they need to penalize our management; since a Google search of "Delta Air Lines Growth" gets the same number of results as "French Military Victories."

... actually, Air France has scored flying from us ... so maybe this example is even worse a comparison than initially conceptualized.

[QUOTE=sailingfun;1142342]I don't know what the MEC's opener on scope will be. It should reflect the wishes of the pilots via the contract survey. I have not spoken with a single rep who is willing to give anything up in scope.
The only portion of the survey I have any knowledge of is some idea of where the pay raise numbers came in at. I have also heard that the overall cost per block hour numbers for 2011 especially between DAL and SWA will be surprising and not in our favor with openers being exchanged. We had a large amount of overtime flying in 2011 combined with the 4 percent raise moved the DAL number up quite a bit more then SW. We are not ahead of them but the difference narrowed a lot.[/QUOTE

Sailing,

Do you know if the MEC is using the corrected MIT data? There was a SW pilot on here a while ago who pointed out their average numbers were incorrect and even contacted someone at SW who verified the incorrect number of pilots was used in the data. Apparently the data had approximately 1000 too many pilots in it skewing the numbers artificially lower....

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I believe the MEC uses the data straight from the form 10 reports to the government. They don't use 2nd hand data.