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Elvis90 02-28-2012 06:01 AM

Flew with a Line Check Airman last night...we were blitzing. He stated that in a recent meeting the discission was that interviews would occur late this year for 2013 hires, about 500, then 500 annually.

We were discussing the future contract as well, but their expectations weren't as high as mine. They anticipated negotiations to be completed by September, to give the company some time for its long-term plan. Management doesn't want a long drawn-out fight.

Oh, and get ready for tablet PC's in the cockpit. The LCA's preference was the iPad - I asked if they were funded, and he said yes. Fuel savings from the loss of weight from the kits means that we'd quickly see a return on investment.

Regarding the MD-88/90 flight instruments modification, it's getting a re-look for approval because the memory in the MD-90 is far less than the database in the MD-88, which limits operations, so it is actually a decent business case for the flexibility it provides.

And everybody loves Richard...they don't want to lose him and get another Leo Mullins.

Whidbey 02-28-2012 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1142342)
I have not spoken with a single rep who is willing to give anything up in scope.

I sure hope not. Should that even be a question?

It's interesting how folks are getting away with saying "I'm not willing to give up any scope!" like it's a bold or aggressive statement. A General puffing up his chest and shouting to his troops that "we're not going to surrender any more ground!" would rightly get snickers from the troops who realize the incongruity between the words he spoke and the effect with which they were delivered.

Sailing- have any of your reps stated that scope recapture is a top priority?

I'm not questioning the validity of the current negotiating strategy, just pointing out that I think some are getting away with trying to pass a weak position on scope off as a strong one by hoping we pay more attention to the boldness of delivery rather than he literal meaning of words spoken.

forgot to bid 02-28-2012 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1142431)
If you like Space Shuttle stuff.. click here

That is pretty good.

Their padding on the seats looks more comfy than some of ours. :D

I'd like to see a group shot of all of the shuttles. Before they depart to their final resting places I'd like to see them together... on the ground.

http://www.tecnics.it/en/wp-content/...%20Shuttle.jpg

flyallnite 02-28-2012 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1142432)
Flew with a Line Check Airman last night...we were blitzing. He stated that in a recent meeting the discission was that interviews would occur late this year for 2013 hires, about 500, then 500 annually.

Having this many new pilots coming on line, indefinitely, will drive our pilot block hour costs way down, and productivity will soar. Something to consider as negotiations spool up.

sailingfun 02-28-2012 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1142441)
Having this many new pilots coming on line, indefinitely, will drive our pilot block hour costs way down, and productivity will soar. Something to consider as negotiations spool up.

How will it improve productivity? Are you planning B scale work rules for the New hires? I sure hope not. Normally hiring actually reduces overall productivity since you end up with a lot of pilots in the school house. During past major hiring binges we had to overstaff around 10 percent for training volume. That is why when the hiring stops we are always overstaffed.
Actual pay costs will go down as you bring pilots in at the bottom of scale. That is however a somewhat temporary gain.

THEBRICK 02-28-2012 06:20 AM

Just saw this.

Flow Through Agreements. As of now, there is no flow through agreement in place for ExpressJet pilots. The working group called Delta Connection Pilot Alliance (DCPA) consists of the ALPA Delta Connection carriers of ASA (now ExpressJet), Comair, Compass, and the new Pinnacle. This group has been looking to develop a flow through agreement with Delta and is focused on those pilots serving the Delta Connection system. Since it is easy to determine who that is in our combined pilot group, those flying the CRJ could become eligible in the event that an agreement is reached; however, there is nothing that includes the ERJ pilots at this time. These discussions are still in the infancy stage with the Delta MEC and, therefore, Delta Airlines management. I have been part of these meetings in the past, as have previous chairmen. Additionally, the XJT MEC has tasked me to form an alliance with the ALPA carriers flying in the United Express system. This group could be tasked by their respective MECs to work on a flow through agreement with the United MEC and United Airlines management. I am in the beginning stages of forming this alliance.

flyallnite 02-28-2012 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1142449)
How will it improve productivity? Are you planning B scale work rules for the New hires? I sure hope not. Normally hiring actually reduces overall productivity since you end up with a lot of pilots in the school house. During past major hiring binges we had to overstaff around 10 percent for training volume. That is why when the hiring stops we are always overstaffed.
Actual pay costs will go down as you bring pilots in at the bottom of scale. That is however a somewhat temporary gain.

No, that's already part of the contract. How much vacation and sick time depends on years of service. There is a 12 year longevity pay scale, and 401k contributions are directly linked. So as pilots retire off the top, and are replaced by new hires, costs will drop considerably. There is a 12 month freeze on new hire training as well. SWA benefitted from this dynamic for years.

SailorJerry 02-28-2012 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by THEBRICK
Just saw this.

Flow Through Agreements. As of now, there is no flow through agreement in place for ExpressJet pilots. The working group called Delta Connection Pilot Alliance (DCPA) consists of the ALPA Delta Connection carriers of ASA (now ExpressJet), Comair, Compass, and the new Pinnacle. This group has been looking to develop a flow through agreement with Delta and is focused on those pilots serving the Delta Connection system. Since it is easy to determine who that is in our combined pilot group, those flying the CRJ could become eligible in the event that an agreement is reached; however, there is nothing that includes the ERJ pilots at this time. These discussions are still in the infancy stage with the Delta MEC and, therefore, Delta Airlines management. I have been part of these meetings in the past, as have previous chairmen. Additionally, the XJT MEC has tasked me to form an alliance with the ALPA carriers flying in the United Express system. This group could be tasked by their respective MECs to work on a flow through agreement with the United MEC and United Airlines management. I am in the beginning stages of forming this alliance.

Was a bad idea at Northwest and will be an even worse idea now. Should Delta come by a windfall of pilots it'll drive down DALPAs negotiating capital. Management will say "Why would we have to buy pilots? We have xx thousand that just signed on the shiny dotted line to sit in the right seat of the MD-88 for 3 years"

Now isn't the time. I hope this is obvious to everyone who is looking forward to our "+40%" (Lol)

NERD 02-28-2012 07:00 AM

Reserve question that has been asked a million times. At what point are you considered done? I'm within 4h23m of alv.

Jesse 02-28-2012 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1142371)

Isn't that a result of inefficiency due to shrinkage? My Delta experience has not been particularly productive, with 4 full aircraft training courses in < 5 years as a result of repeated displacements. (figuring March bid will be another displacement)

If so, they need to penalize our management; since a Google search of "Delta Air Lines Growth" gets the same number of results as "French Military Victories."

... actually, Air France has scored flying from us ... so maybe this example is even worse a comparison than initially conceptualized.

Ha! Excellent point, and great Google comparison.

Tuesday reminder: The buckets need to change.

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