Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-14-2012 | 09:13 PM
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Really? You are really that disaffected Shiz? How do we get our company to say yes to contract improvements? How about the fact that pilots make the whole operation go? How about the fact that, while all of the other work groups are at or close to their pre-BK levels, we are about 45% short? How about the fact that, without our concurrence and adaptability, this almost seamless merger would not have occurred? That's how. We aren't asking for the same benefits packages that the senior management gets, we're asking to be compensated like our competition is compensated.
Let me ask you this. How can Delta management NOT compensate us for being the world's largest carrier, in sheer volume, at least at levels commensurate with the LCC that now operates in our HQ hub? How about them apples Shiz?
We are Delta and they are us. We have taken on enormous sacrifices to save our company and thrive in the environment of consolidation and growth. And we've done it in remarkable fashion. Take a look at US Air, United. American and SWA. We're not them, we are Delta. That's how.
Let me ask you this. How can Delta management NOT compensate us for being the world's largest carrier, in sheer volume, at least at levels commensurate with the LCC that now operates in our HQ hub? How about them apples Shiz?
We are Delta and they are us. We have taken on enormous sacrifices to save our company and thrive in the environment of consolidation and growth. And we've done it in remarkable fashion. Take a look at US Air, United. American and SWA. We're not them, we are Delta. That's how.
I don't think it will matter. Management has almost zero incentive to increase their pilot costs by over a BILLION dollars a year "just because"..
We ARE the grease that makes the airline work, but until we can legally threaten to "withhold that grease", it will take a need on the company's part for them to "buy" our help. (Maybe the company has a need/want that will require our help.....maybe not)
But it will likely take a 3-5 year battle to get to that point so you can start saving now and complying with the NMB/RLA status quo in the interim.
I would really like to be demonstrably proven wrong; with a TA that is on time and meets the desires of the pilot group.
Want to place a charity wager on it happening?
03-14-2012 | 09:14 PM
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When the sexy voice gets used... controllers answer, people genuinely enjoy my PA's, and flight attendants actually remember how long we have left and what time that will be.
03-14-2012 | 09:15 PM
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It is obvious to me that the conflict of interest that DALPA so vehemently denies is real. If it was not real, our opener would have included taking flying back. The fact of the matter is, if we take flying back, we will put our regional pilots out of work. I'm fine with that. Long term everyone will be better off. There will be some regional pilots that do not get hired at Delta, but most probably will. ALPA national would have to approve an agreement that DALPA signs making this happen. Like it or not, that opens ALPA to a DFR suit from the regional pilots. They can deny it as much as they want, but DALPA puts out very weak language when it comes to scope. The facts speak for themselves.
The scope that Comair ALPA pilots have any say over is Comair operated flying.
The scope that DELTA PILOTS have is flying that is DELTA coded flying*.
The Delta ALPA pilots are the ONLY pilot group who have a seat at the table with Delta Air Lines to provide pilot services.
The "conflict of interest" is a myth.
*except what we "permit" to be flown by non-Delta pilots
03-14-2012 | 10:00 PM
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Well with less than 12 hours to go that mythical creature that will soon call ATL home is drawing quite a crowd. The ATL DC9A is now up to 118 / 60 / 33 respectively and 397 total bidders.....for 75 slots.
I don't think she knew how much you guys still care for her
I don't think she knew how much you guys still care for her
03-14-2012 | 10:24 PM
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That is funny and for some reason reminded me of this:
Cool pilot story.
Once upon a time, a pilot asked a beautiful princess, "Will you marry me?"
The princess said, "No!" And the pilot lived happily ever after and flew jets all over the world and drove hot cars and banged skinny long-legged big-titted flight attendants and hunted and fished and went to topless bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey and Captain Morgan and never heard *****ing and never paid child support or alimony and kept his house and guns and ate cold spam, potato chips and beans and blew enormous farts and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was frickin' cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up........ The end.
Cool pilot story.
Once upon a time, a pilot asked a beautiful princess, "Will you marry me?"
The princess said, "No!" And the pilot lived happily ever after and flew jets all over the world and drove hot cars and banged skinny long-legged big-titted flight attendants and hunted and fished and went to topless bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey and Captain Morgan and never heard *****ing and never paid child support or alimony and kept his house and guns and ate cold spam, potato chips and beans and blew enormous farts and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was frickin' cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up........ The end.
Yup, that's the life I wanted...but my Princess said "yes", and I've been paying for it ever since!
The problem was, I chased her...until she caught me!
She played hard to get, now she's just hard to get rid of!
03-14-2012 | 10:24 PM
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Yes you can. Protections on geared engine jets is one way to sunset these agreements. It gives DCI a shelf life with the current airframes. That was IMHO a huge hint and where this language was headed. Just wait and see what they come up with. The next GEN of RJ's will have geared engines and that is something thy specifically mentioned in the opener.
But in any case, if we don't start lowering the total seat count we allow to be outsourced regardless of how its powered or how much it weighs, don't be suprised when we order 255 (or more?) 70-76 seaters, or 500+ 50 seaters with high bypass turbofan jets made of ultra light composites or even this:
Scientists Develop World's Lightest Metal, 100x Lighter than Styrofoam | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World
Sure the 50 seaters are a dying breed now, but when technology catches up and a new one is made that offers a lower per passenger fuel burn than a 320 NEO or a 737MAX, they'll dust off Fred Reid in 2 seconds and he'll order a thousand of them. Don't think it can't happen (again).
That being in our opener shows we are thinking two moves ahead. Great. But the corporate mercenaries are thinking 8 or 9 moves ahead. We need very broad language with no room for "interpretation" on our scope. Black and white. We own it, not any other group. Period. I don't want to have to worry about some arbitrator's opinion 10 years from now regarding cut throat DCI carrier #12 and their 300 firm orders for 76 seaters or even 130 seaters powered by some new extreme bypass gear reduction frictionless bearing semi-fowler ducted internal double reverse annular flow fanjetprop.
C2012K needs to at least lay the groundwork for, in the near and medium term, to sharply reduce DCI no matter what powers the planes or how much they weigh or how much hub to hub they do or what snacks they serve on Tuesday. Period.
03-14-2012 | 10:28 PM
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* Gol hopes for all-clear on Brazil-Miami route by mid-year
"But our deal with GOL is unique, we do all the US-South America Flying and they do the intra-Brazil flying. They only fly 737s"<------YAH RIIIIIGHT!!!.
TEN
"But our deal with GOL is unique, we do all the US-South America Flying and they do the intra-Brazil flying. They only fly 737s"<------YAH RIIIIIGHT!!!.
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03-14-2012 | 10:41 PM
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I hate to ask, but do you have any idea if the guy was an LCA? Only reason I ask is because, from the right seat, I've seen this twice and both times the CA was an LCA. Don't get me wrong, Captains, it's your PA. Say what you want to say. I've just noticed a (admittedly small) pattern, and I wonder if there's some guidance from above to "personalize" the crew. I flew with an LCA last month that made a lengthy PA right after the pre push acars detailing his background, my background, all the FAs names, and various aeronautical minutiae (by the way, when you tell people you're flying over Dryer, OH, they don't have any idea what you're talking about. Take a minute to consult a map and realize the big city on Lake Erie is actually called Cleveland). Since the pre push acars is my cue to go pee, I got multiple opportunities to see our HVCs looking either glazed over or downright annoyed during the PA. As a pilot, I couldn't care less about the case the guy in 1B successfully litigated or the buyout the lady in 22D just facilitated. I'm quite sure they care just as little about my CV as I care about theirs. And leave my name out of the PA. It's nobody's business.
And just so no one accuses me of pointing out problems without offering solutions, maybe we can call it a PRS (professional rap sheet) or CPSC (chronology of professional street cred) or AYM (ask your mom)?
Sorry, ignore this post. The CV thing just really grinds my gears, almost as much as outsourcing our core business. Almost.
03-14-2012 | 10:50 PM
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My.
God.
I get hawking the credit cards and whatnot, but an agressive sales pitch can be condensed into about a tenth of the bandwidth we're using now. Seriously, its beyond noise pollution.
I'm about ready to start thinking that the PA needs to have a guarded switch and using it should require a detailed safety report as to why.
And instructions (and demos) on the technicalities of seatbelt use. In 2012. Really?
03-14-2012 | 10:52 PM
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I hate to ask, but do you have any idea if the guy was an LCA? Only reason I ask is because, from the right seat, I've seen this twice and both times the CA was an LCA. Don't get me wrong, Captains, it's your PA. Say what you want to say. I've just noticed a (admittedly small) pattern, and I wonder if there's some guidance from above to "personalize" the crew. I flew with an LCA last month that made a lengthy PA right after the pre push acars detailing his background, my background, all the FAs names, and various aeronautical minutiae (by the way, when you tell people you're flying over Dryer, OH, they don't have any idea what you're talking about. Take a minute to consult a map and realize the big city on Lake Erie is actually called Cleveland). Since the pre push acars is my cue to go pee, I got multiple opportunities to see our HVCs looking either glazed over or downright annoyed during the PA. As a pilot, I couldn't care less about the case the guy in 1B successfully litigated or the buyout the lady in 22D just facilitated. I'm quite sure they care just as little about my CV as I care about theirs. And leave my name out of the PA. It's nobody's business.
Oh.... and for NuGuy, I heard they didn't have to worry about this at NW. All PA's just said "PA done per SOPA/SMAC," and that one was a long PA.
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