In ATL the captain seat is equal in seniority and the FO is a couple hundred numbers junior on the bottom end.

 

Today my bank informed me my card had been "compromised" with fraudulent charges in last two weeks. The charges were to "TWA corp" in NYC, I haven't been there in a month or so but seems to be linked to airport coffee/food concessions purchases.....

At least the criminals have a sense of humor

 

OK, but how do we 'recover' all the RJ flying, and 'staple' them, legally, without risking an arbitrated list, that might put a whole bunch of -them- in front of -you-?

I think with Richard now making DL the DIP financeir for Pinacle, there is an opportunity, but then I thought the same thing with Com Air and ASA and Compass...none of it worked out, for recovering our outsourced flying.

For obvious reasons, Richard doesn't WANT them all on our list, and on our contract, so I doubt he'd offer it up to our team anyway, but if he wants this done quickly...well, how bad do you want it Richard?

Put up or shut up Richard.

 

Guys, T is a 76 captain...hes looking out for number one. Just let that be understood and you can ignore the theoretical "maybe we could trade some scope and I can get an even bigger pay raise scenarios".

 

You're talking about two different things. If it's a merger, that's managements purview and there's no need for this modification to our scope. If you're inferring that we should accept scope language changes to allow this in order to get around an SLI, that's not legal. You cannot negotiate something for another group. You can only get around an SLI by scaring the hell out of the other pilot group so they give up their legal rights.

Carl

 

Hey, there's an idea!

Now all we have to do is get Garry Kelly to talk to them!

We're going to need more kittens...

But seriously, I doubt they would accept a staple if it were a 'merger' and who knows what an arbitrator would do with a 15yr. RJ Capt., but I doubt he'd be stapled to the bottom.

 

What about this: Since pinnacle is an going to be an all DCI carrier soon you basically propose a staple but you look at the list at pinnacle and you say that no captain can lose his seat or seniority as long as the airplane is flying. We have a bunch of lifers at the top who will not move on anywhere else so its not fair to them to be stapled but also its not fair to have any regional pilot move ahead of a mainline pilot so if mainline is trying to recapture all the flying, staple the regionals starting with pinnacle but put in a 5-10 year agreement saying that no mainline pilot may displace a pre pinnacle captain on the pre regional aircraft unless there are furloughs. If that captain bids for an fo spot on a delta aircraft, he gives up those rights and a delta pilot may replace his captain seat. The final result would be that all pinnacle pilots would be on the delta seniority list behind the last current delta pilot. As the 200's are parked the pinnacle pilots would fall into available FO positions on the current delta fleet.
hmmm? any takers?
Also to take care of some of the clowns we have hired over the years, you have 1-2 years probation for every pinnacle pilot

This would also take care of at least 2 of the years you guys will have to hire 800 pilots a year

 

I'm down with that. In fact that's probably the only way to do it.

The ASA/Comair thing years ago I think was short sightedness on the account of both parties. I don't think DALPA really wanted to force the issue and the senior ASA/Comair guys did exactly as expected.

All this being theoretical of course... remember Comair is still owned by Delta, too. I doubt there would be anything to force the issue of bringing all the Pineapple people on.

 

A staple of Pinnacle is too much of a mess. if they didnt do it for compass (nwa hired, part of a nwa deal, all 70-76 seaters) Ii doubt they'd do it for any large operator without that unique relationship and tons of 50 seaters.

how to recapture scope? as far as i am concerned we adopt an RAH scope policy; all flying for Delta is done by a pilot on the Chatauaqua seniority list.



i mean delta list.


and how do we get that? we offer unlimited 76 seaters but each time that airplane goes airborne two Delta pilots at the controls on our pwa or it doesnt carry a single delta passenger.

will the company go for it? hell no. why end a perfectly good and seamless whipsaw?

back to square 1.

 

95000 I win