Using that argument, could one say campaigning/voting against incumbent elected government officials "undermines their work?"

That would be a bit dictatorial/undemocratic, don't you think?

The concept here is "accountability." It's in short supply within the ranks of DALPA and ALPA.

04-15-2012 | 04:37 PM

#95812

scambo1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

Bar,

I am of the mind that competition is good. I personally have noticed an improvement in DALPA since the DPA move started and I think they got a wake up call with how many card were sent in and perhaps upped their game. I do not necessarily advocate replacing DALPA, in fact I trust my Reps and think they do a good job. On the other hand I also think this is now pretty much an academic argument since we are in section 6 with DALPA in charge - thats OK with me.

If on the other hand as you say above outsourcing 4th generation jets would be a big mistake (I agree) - Do you think DALPA would be more or less aggressive resisting more outsourcing since the DPA became an issue?

Scoop

So, is permitted aircraft types: inclusive of Geared turbofans and no seat limit on props (as proposed by the DALPA opener) a loosening of scope?

I say it is.

04-15-2012 | 04:38 PM

#95813

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

If it is necessary to attempt to "undo" a TA, then it will be time to send in a card for a representational election.

You have to be kidding! This is the union and the NC that we have. I don't even know what you mean by "undoing" a TA. That doesn't happen. If the reps refuse to ratify the TA, the reps will explain why they did it, and tell the NC exactly what they need to go back and fix. If the reps ratify the TA but the members vote it down, the reps will do the same thing. If the NC and the MEC quit because their pride has been hurt, then the reps will quickly elect new members to fulfill those roles, and get right back at it.

A representational election will only happen now after we have a contract...if that contract is substandard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Understand clearly that is the first step towards becoming US Air. That's a very severe, desperate, measure. We are not there and I don't think we are going there.

Since that's not going to happen, you don't need to worry.

Carl

04-15-2012 | 04:46 PM

#95814

FrankCobretti

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Where are you based Frank??

Carl

Beautiful New York City.

04-15-2012 | 04:50 PM

#95815

acl65pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by firstmob

Aviation Daily

Which means that they probably have given DAL the go ahead to a certain dollar amount.

04-15-2012 | 04:51 PM

#95816

acl65pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

Break over?

Back to the salt mines!

Kinda. But not really. I was enjoying not reading every post.

04-15-2012 | 05:03 PM

#95817

vprMatrix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Which means that they probably have given DAL the go ahead to a certain dollar amount.

A quote from the article " Delta also will brief the leaders of its pilots union on the potential oil refinery plans during union Master Executive Council meetings on April 18 that also will cover numerous other topics, the source said."

Hmm.

04-15-2012 | 05:04 PM

#95818

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankCobretti

Beautiful New York City.

Thank you, that's good news. I don't know any of the NYC guys. But if they all told you that scope is not for sale, they're my kind of guys.

Carl

04-15-2012 | 05:05 PM

#95819

76drvr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by More Bacon

That pretty much sums up why ALPA is off the property if the TA comes back with any scope sellouts whatsoever.

I doubt it. If it passes, then ALPA stays, if it doesn't, then we have a chance to either recall our reps, vote in new guys during an election, or keep the ones you got if you like them and they run again. DPA isn't a credible alternative and I doubt we'll join the IBT. JMO

04-15-2012 | 05:06 PM

#95820

tsquare

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From: 767er Captain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

No, that sure isn't a good idea. But it'll be critical for you to stand strong and vote NO Brocc. You and every pilot on the bottom half of the seniority list need to vote NO if this is what the MEC ends up ratifying. If 100% of the bottom half votes NO, then it's NO...because you've definitely got my NO vote here from the top half.

Carl

This will probably shock the hell out of you Carl since you think I don't give a rat's a$$ about scope, but I would vote no too.