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Old 04-25-2012 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Don't know the current ROE. In past similar events at ALPA carriers the line pilots got a beer. Given the potential liability exposure, I'd bet D-ALPA keeps a pretty tight lid on the refreshments.

Pizza's cheaper than beer. D-ALPA should try what management does and talk the Credit Union into paying for it

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Not free - paid for out of your dues. But to more accurately answer your question, you will not be forking out any $$$ at the PUB event.
Scoop
Thanks for the responses. Instead of calling it "free" drinks & hors d'oeuvres, it'll make me feel less cheap, to refer to them as "earned" or "already paid for" drinks & hors d'oeuvres!

V/R,

GJ (still cheap)
Old 04-25-2012 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Scoop,

So you take a group that agreed to pass something to the membership, and expose the differences of opinions within? I don't think that's smart.

Sink,

First of all, I disagree with your premise - a PRO vs. CON paper does not necessarily expose differences within. But going along with your scenario, if the vote is 10-4 (hypothetical) to forward to membership for approval don't you want to hear why the 4 voted no? Conversely the vote can be uananimous to forward, but this does not mean every Rep likes everything about it.

I agree the internet and this forum will serve a sort of PRO vs. CON function, but I would prefer an official one via the negotiating committee. While there is some great information on this thread there is also a lot of chaff.

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Old 04-25-2012 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Analysts expect Delta to earn a $1.86B profit for 2012.

Delta Shows Strong Revenue Growth - WSJ.com

And it should only up exponentially from there.
Old 04-25-2012 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Thanks for the responses. Instead of calling it "free" drinks & hors d'oeuvres, it'll make me feel less cheap, to refer to them as "earned" or "already paid for" drinks & hors d'oeuvres!

V/R,

GJ (still cheap)

Beers were included in SAN!

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Old 04-25-2012 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Sink,

First of all, I disagree with your premise - a PRO vs. CON paper does not necessarily expose differences within. But going along with your scenario, if the vote is 10-4 (hypothetical) to forward to membership for approval don't you want to hear why the 4 voted no? Conversely the vote can be uananimous to forward, but this does not mean every Rep likes everything about it.

I agree the internet and this forum will serve a sort of PRO vs. CON function, but I would prefer an official one via the negotiating committee. While there is some great information on this thread there is also a lot of chaff.

Scoop

Just me guessing, but if there were four "No" votes, I suspect they would send it back to the company to make them yes" votes. It also depends on who the "no" votes are, but that many makes their position significant.
Old 04-25-2012 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Just me guessing, but if there were four "No" votes, I suspect they would send it back to the company to make them yes" votes. It also depends on who the "no" votes are, but that many makes their position significant.

ACL,

That was just hypothetical. But if there are differences of opinion within the MEC or Negotiating committee why shouldn't the Pilot group be made aware of them?

But I am getting off point which was - I think a Pro vs. Con paper by those most familiar with ramifications of the TA would be helpful.

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Old 04-25-2012 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Beers were included in SAN!

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I'll second that. The pitchers were flowing in Memphis with no wallets to be seen.

Of course after the beers a few of the conversations about the contract and union became slightly louder......wonder why
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
I'll second that. The pitchers were flowing in Memphis with no wallets to be seen.

Of course after the beers a few of the conversations about the contract and union became slightly louder......wonder why
Awesome!! I love the contract "creativity" that a few beers will bring out in a person!

GJ
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
ACL,

That was just hypothetical. But if there are differences of opinion within the MEC or Negotiating committee why shouldn't the Pilot group be made aware of them?

But I am getting off point which was - I think a Pro vs. Con paper by those most familiar with ramifications of the TA would be helpful.

Scoop

Just me, but I assume that if there is a TA, everyone will know that the MEC is meeting to discuss it. If your scenario comes true, I am sure we will be made aware that they are taking it back. We may not know the vote count at that time, but we probably will know the rest.

FWIW, a few reps have stated that they will demand a recorded vote on the TA so that all reps are held accountable for their vote.
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Analysts expect Delta to earn a $1.86B profit for 2012.

Delta Shows Strong Revenue Growth - WSJ.com
I'll eat Hillary Clintons toe jam if the 2012 DAL net profit is under $1,500MM.
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