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Old 04-25-2012 | 11:12 AM
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I'll eat Hillary Clintons toe jam if the 2012 DAL net profit is under $1,500MM.
Ewwwww!!! But, yes, I heard $2B from the minutes of some meeting in ATL.
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Analysts expect Delta to earn a $1.86B profit for 2012.

Delta Shows Strong Revenue Growth - WSJ.com
Cant read the article. Don't have a WSJ subscription like you rich guys

Is the projected $1.86B profit in addition to paying down the 2B debt we are said to be on target with?
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Cant read the article. Don't have a WSJ subscription like you rich guys

Is the projected $1.86B profit in addition to paying down the 2B debt we are said to be on target with?
If I was going to eat Hillary's toe jam, I'd like to know the answer to this too.

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Old 04-25-2012 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
I'll eat Hillary Clintons toe jam if the 2012 DAL net profit is under $1,500MM.

That is just plain gross, no matter what you are betting.
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:35 AM
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Hey Scoop,

Originally Posted by Scoop
First of all, I disagree with your premise - a PRO vs. CON paper does not necessarily expose differences within. But going along with your scenario, if the vote is 10-4 (hypothetical) to forward to membership for approval don't you want to hear why the 4 voted no? Conversely the vote can be uananimous to forward, but this does not mean every Rep likes everything about it.
No, because I don't need to be baby-sat, or instructed. As Scambo and others said, we don't need a sell-job for. Why would I want a sell-job against?

I want to hear how my reps voted, and I don't need it in writing. Why do I care how a rep that doesn't work for me feels?

Every watch soccer? You know how a defensive team can suddenly pullback to create an off-side? Some reps live for the politics, and they live for that stuff. The moment a vote is up, a vote they know will pass/must pass, they'll tally up the totals, then make it a point to be the (not so) loyal opposition.

I don't want to play along with that game.

By definition, if the NC turns it over to the MEC, it's the MEC's job to decide. The NC should present it, and not baby-sit the MEC. When the MEC decides to pass to us, the decision becomes ours. Any input from the reps at that point becomes either a sell job, or an attempt to influence me the other way.

Either one is unsat.

I agree the internet and this forum will serve a sort of PRO vs. CON function, but I would prefer an official one via the negotiating committee. While there is some great information on this thread there is also a lot of chaff.
OK, this is a little different than the other paragraph. Would I want to get notes from the NC, as opposed to the MEC? I suppose the NC is subject to the same games the MEC is subject to, so I would say I probably don't want to hear different opinions. But I would like to have a single document put out by the NC showing the logic that led them where they ended up, so I could second-guess their work on my own terms. I would definitely like some feedback on how this compares to the polling, along the simple lines Ferd suggested.
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I can do that right now and save the effort later....

In any section where the TA didn't live up to the polling data you can insert one of the following two answers:

1) Because the NC distributed that provisions' improvement cost/value elsewhere.

OR

2) Because the company said no, and the NC had no leverage to force the issue.
Can you then save us further effort by guaranteeing there won't be a sell-job?

I object to the noise and interference, pro, or against. If people want more insight, I think it would be helpful to get feedback from the NC on where they got, relative to our objective, and why. That seems like pertinent input.
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
It isn't the buy out it is the lack of storage and/or paying for a hotel or housing for a bit. How do they expect us to find a house to move into with only 8 days given for house hunting.
I actually thought it was pretty sweet, until I realized that the real estate commission reimbursement expired in 2008. That would have made all the difference in the world to me...

Also dont forget the $2000 in cash when you get to your new location! Dont spend it all in one place!
Old 04-25-2012 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
I'll eat Hillary Clintons toe jam if the 2012 DAL net profit is under $1,500MM.
Fifteen hundred million million?

So 1.5 quadrillion.

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Old 04-25-2012 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Cant read the article. Don't have a WSJ subscription like you rich guys

Is the projected $1.86B profit in addition to paying down the 2B debt we are said to be on target with?
Google the WSJ headline -> read for free
or have your buddies do the work:

WSJ via Google: Delta Shows Strong Revenue Growth

Cheers
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Old 04-25-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Google the WSJ headline -> read for free
or have your buddies do the work:

WSJ via Google: Delta Shows Strong Revenue Growth

Cheers
George
I have to say "KUDOS! to our TEAM". However, we all know how quickly the environment changes. One week we are hiring 10000 pilots, the next week the sky is falling.

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