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tsquare 05-16-2012 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1189239)
Sorry you feel this way...... There is leverage one just has to understand how to apply it.

I don't think the type of leverage you are referring to is remotely called for at this stage of the game.

DogWhisperer 05-16-2012 07:03 AM

Maybe they are looking at purchasing pieces of another "distraught" carrier......silver planes with warm climate base....women who enjoy wearing spandex....

Brocc15 05-16-2012 07:03 AM

Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out if I should green slip, but I don't completely understand the pay. If I am on reserve the first two days of a green slipped 4 day and and the following 2 days are my X days, do I get paid the whole trip single pay on top of guarantee, or just the 2 days that are on my x days? I tried reading the contract and it was confusing. Something about single pay and no credit but I thought credit and pay were one in the same.

dragon 05-16-2012 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Brocc15 (Post 1189340)
Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out if I should green slip, but I don't completely understand the pay. If I am on reserve the first two days of a green slipped 4 day and and the following 2 days are my X days, do I get paid the whole trip single pay on top of guarantee, or just the 2 days that are on my x days? I tried reading the contract and it was confusing. Something about single pay and no credit but I thought credit and pay were one in the same.

Credit refers to your monthly guarantee. If you accept a GS with under 12 hours to report on a on call day, that one will be paid above the guarantee with nothing counting against your 70 hours. The other "on-call" days will be against your 70 hours and the X days will be paid above the guarantee with PB (pay back) days granted.

Generally reserves don't get "double" pay, but it goes on top of the guarantee so that's a huge positive. IA is basically the same.

Good luck

NWA320pilot 05-16-2012 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1189287)
I don't think the type of leverage you are referring to is remotely called for at this stage of the game.

You are absolutely correct...... But the original post had to do with leverage we have during negotiations, and that we have if the time ever comes.

Red Five 05-16-2012 07:24 AM

Anybody got any idea how this new short call bucket thing works? I’m sitting #4 in a row tomorrow, and there is a guy who has been available all week like I have been who has only been given 1 for the month. How did I get tagged with another one (I should be in bucket 2 now, along with a few other guys who got tagged) while he is still sitting pretty with only 1 for the month so far? I have been using the new “to be used only if needed” option for the time requests, but that shouldn’t volunteer me to sit, as there is another option that says “to be first in sequence”. I talked to the scheduling rep at ALPA about those options earlier this month to make sure I understood it and everything made sense at the time, but am I missing something? Am I inadvertently volunteering myself to sit when my intent was only to request times if scheduled to sit?

SailorJerry 05-16-2012 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Red Five
Anybody got any idea how this new short call bucket thing works? I’m sitting #4 in a row tomorrow, and there is a guy who has been available all week like I have been who has only been given 1 for the month. How did I get tagged with another one (I should be in bucket 2 now, along with a few other guys who got tagged) while he is still sitting pretty with only 1 for the month so far? I have been using the new “to be used only if needed” option for the time requests, but that shouldn’t volunteer me to sit, as there is another option that says “to be first in sequence”. I talked to the scheduling rep at ALPA about those options earlier this month to make sure I understood it and everything made sense at the time, but am I missing something? Am I inadvertently volunteering myself to sit when my intent was only to request times if scheduled to sit?

Just goes to show that this new bucket system doesn't mean squat unless you're in a huge base with surplus staffing.

For example if you just happen to meet the bucket, and days available criteria (which isn't made available to us as its at the schedulers discretion - which is BS) then you'll get the SC shift - regardless of seniority. I doubt you're an intentional scapegoat but it's certainly a shortcoming of what could have been a good thing.

johnso29 05-16-2012 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Red Five (Post 1189360)
Anybody got any idea how this new short call bucket thing works? I’m sitting #4 in a row tomorrow, and there is a guy who has been available all week like I have been who has only been given 1 for the month. How did I get tagged with another one (I should be in bucket 2 now, along with a few other guys who got tagged) while he is still sitting pretty with only 1 for the month so far? I have been using the new “to be used only if needed” option for the time requests, but that shouldn’t volunteer me to sit, as there is another option that says “to be first in sequence”. I talked to the scheduling rep at ALPA about those options earlier this month to make sure I understood it and everything made sense at the time, but am I missing something? Am I inadvertently volunteering myself to sit when my intent was only to request times if scheduled to sit?

Are you in the same days of availability bucket?

Jack Bauer 05-16-2012 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1189374)
Just goes to show that this new bucket system doesn't mean squat unless you're in a huge base with surplus staffing.

For example if you just happen to meet the bucket, and days available criteria (which isn't made available to us as its at the schedulers discretion - which is BS) then you'll get the SC shift - regardless of seniority. I doubt you're an intentional scapegoat but it's certainly a shortcoming of what could have been a good thing.

Another example of how "wins" turn out not being wins later. If/when the new contract is in place, expect to find out all kinds of ways the company took ALPA to the cleaners in the small print.

Jack Bauer 05-16-2012 07:43 AM

Not sure if anything interesting will be discussed but RA is/was supposed to be on CNBC this morning at 11:15AM. Anybody see anything?


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