I'm in the pool with a CJO at UAL with DAL interview. After what they did to the most recent class I'm out. Not gonna work in the dysfunctional **** box. Am I wrong or is that the way all 121's work?

 

All 121s work that way. DAL just happens to be making money while being dysfunctional.

I wouldn’t let UAL scare you off, any airline out there can do it if it’s that kind of a day.

 

I will say your are wrong.

Take the first class date you can...get yourself an ID with your face on it and a line number.

THEN, when/if you get another CJO, you can decide.

 

So you're out trolling the DAL and AA boards badmouthing the only airline that has offered you a job? Sounds to me like you're not a really good fit for a career as an airline pilot if this puts you off so badly. You should gain a little perspective (and thicker skin) if you continue this career path.

 

Unfortunately this is how it is everywhere. A lot of employees like to drink the koolaid and believe that the company actually cares about them, but the moment they can discard you, they will. Welcome to corporate America!!

Keep this in mind when the company asks you for favors down the road.

 

Meh. There's no right answer, other than no random internet poster can judge your fit for employment. It will make things easier not to take management decisions personally, but you do you. Good luck wherever you land; it'll be good and bad from indoc through retirement.

 

I hope Delta hires you so don’t have to work for a dysfunctional **** box....see you on line at United soon I still buy you beer.

 

FWIW, and albeit this is somewhat anecdotal, but on 2 occasions DL honored their obligations during challenging times.

In 2000/2001 there was an economic recession that really hit the airlines hard, a few quarters even prior to 9-11. DL made the decision to stop new hire classes. At the time that decision was made there was one class scheduled that was well inside the 2 week notie period and DL, to its credit, honored that class saying it was the right thing to do at the time. Obviously aafter 9-11 they furloughed that class and many, many other classes. But their actions and intentions were to carry that class as long as they could.

Again in 2008 hiring abruptly stopped due to the merger. They probably could have cancelled the last class in April of that year but they kept it. Then again in 2010 they hired about 300 pilots due to contractual staffing formulas only to find thmselves overstaffed with no need to hire for a while. That example wasn't quite as altruistic as the other ones because that would have involved furloughing and one could argue that the short term savings didn't outweigh the medium term savings of such a move, but its still a valid data point.

What UAL did recently was embarassing and dishonorable. Hopefully all effected can either get other jobs or go back to their previous ones. Its not a "cost saving" issue to any significant extent (23 pilots for a couple months?) and if things get really bad they'll quickly furlough thousands (as will everyone else) anyway. (FWIW I don't think that will happen based on the present position of the industry/economy even now, but things could theoretically get much worse).

By definition since you're in the pool it sounds like you haven't given up a good job or whatever you're doing ATM so it didn't effect you. You're correct to notice it and to be upset by it. But they won't give you a class until this has passed and those 23 have one anyway. That said, yeah its a trashy bush league thing to do for a global airline that won't even notice the cost savings as a rounding error. Shame on them for doing that.

But once they get to you, I'd still go to class. That said, take the DL interview, do your best and if offered a class there that would be my preference but I'm a little biased.

 

Lots of UA hate for someone in the UA pool on American and Delta boards. Careful what you post C-130 driver.

 

He posted on the Endeavor board asking how long it takes to get to Delta through Endeavor, which seems odd for someone with one ML CJO and an interview at Delta already.