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Old 11-02-2013 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by WARich
I realize the dust is still settling from the merger but I'm curious why your friend feels this way?

That is a good question. I would be interested to hear that answer too...
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Old 11-02-2013 | 05:49 AM
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Have classes started for "off the street" hires?
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Old 11-02-2013 | 05:53 AM
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Have classes started for "off the street" hires?
Not yet. The first "off the street" class should be in January.
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Old 11-02-2013 | 05:59 AM
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Great prep and welcome aboard! In training study like that and you will seem almost easy. Better to over prepare imho. If you get the 88 you will need to keep an open mind and be flexible. What you read in the procedures vs what one instructor says vs the instructor the next day can vary widely. Just get use to saying, "that's a great idea" a lot and write it down on your notepad like it's gospel even though it contradicts the manual. It is very much a cooperate and graduate type course. Can't comment on other fleets. I will leave it to bucking to explain any system questions you may have Congrats!


Originally Posted by Indy
Everything I could!!

I read the Delta web page, quarterly report, WFFF reports (not those from unsuccessful candidates), Aero for Naval Aviators, AIM, FARs, Lengel's "Everything Explained ..." Book, AFI 11-217 & 11-203, NTSB Rejected Takeoff analyses/report, Mental Math for Pilots, several Jet engine fundamental books, ATP test prep books, and all the trip reports from years past that I could get my hands on. I did all that while working my butt off as an active duty Squadron Commander then Deputy Ops Group Commander! ... I still thought I busted the knowledge test!!

I read the Cogscreen website and watched the examples. Very helpful!

Most successful candidates do some sort of prep. Whether it's Emerald Coast, Aero Crew Solutions, FAPA (Judy Tarver's team), etc...it's critical. I've heard great things about and know people who benefited from each of them. Interviewing well is an aquired skill...they teach you.

A friend and I gave each other 3 mock interviews, and we critiqued the hell out of ourselves. I recorded myself telling my stories and sample TMAAT or WWYD scenario responses in my iPhone as I drove to work. Didn't realize how lame I sounded at times and figured out ways to fix it. Another friend (who successfully interviewed the day before me) and I did mock interviews over the phone.

I picked my mentors' brains. They're sick of me.

What's funny is I never got a chance to do the polished story wrap ups I practiced because the panel always interrupted with follow up question or I forgot. Still, when the many unanticipated questions arose, I sifted through my mental Rolodex for solid responses.

Interview day was one of the most stressful things I've ever done...and I've done a lot! The hard work paid off in the end. A very professional United friend told me tonight to be very glad I'm going to Delta instead of UAL! The process is intended to be very difficult for a reason! Delta knows what it is looking for in it's pilots...it's more than just flying ability.

It was brutal watching the two guys in Tuesday's group go away empty handed. Great dudes, both. That final wait period after all is said and done is punishing.

Hope you get your shot!

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Old 11-02-2013 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Indy
Still, when the many unanticipated questions arose, I sifted through my mental Rolodex for solid responses.
No doubt you prepped with Emerald Coast!
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Old 11-02-2013 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Indy
Everything I could!!

I read the Delta web page, quarterly report, WFFF reports (not those from unsuccessful candidates), Aero for Naval Aviators, AIM, FARs, Lengel's "Everything Explained ..." Book, AFI 11-217 & 11-203, NTSB Rejected Takeoff analyses/report, Mental Math for Pilots, several Jet engine fundamental books, ATP test prep books, and all the trip reports from years past that I could get my hands on. I did all that while working my butt off as an active duty Squadron Commander then Deputy Ops Group Commander! ... I still thought I busted the knowledge test!!

I read the Cogscreen website and watched the examples. Very helpful!

Most successful candidates do some sort of prep. Whether it's Emerald Coast, Aero Crew Solutions, FAPA (Judy Tarver's team), etc...it's critical. I've heard great things about and know people who benefited from each of them. Interviewing well is an aquired skill...they teach you.

A friend and I gave each other 3 mock interviews, and we critiqued the hell out of ourselves. I recorded myself telling my stories and sample TMAAT or WWYD scenario responses in my iPhone as I drove to work. Didn't realize how lame I sounded at times and figured out ways to fix it. Another friend (who successfully interviewed the day before me) and I did mock interviews over the phone.

I picked my mentors' brains. They're sick of me.

What's funny is I never got a chance to do the polished story wrap ups I practiced because the panel always interrupted with follow up question or I forgot. Still, when the many unanticipated questions arose, I sifted through my mental Rolodex for solid responses.

Interview day was one of the most stressful things I've ever done...and I've done a lot! The hard work paid off in the end. A very professional United friend told me tonight to be very glad I'm going to Delta instead of UAL! The process is intended to be very difficult for a reason! Delta knows what it is looking for in it's pilots...it's more than just flying ability.

It was brutal watching the two guys in Tuesday's group go away empty handed. Great dudes, both. That final wait period after all is said and done is punishing.

Hope you get your shot!

Indy
Congrats on the new job at Delta!! Sounds like you're well prepared. However, you sound a little hypocritical in the two comments I highlighted!! You say your friend who was "very professional" told you not to go to UAL. To me thats not very "Professional" thats opinionated! If someone asked about my airline (UAL) I would give them the "+" and "-" of the company and let them make their own choice. And you say that Delta knows exactly what they want. Yet in the next breath you say they canned two guys in your interview class that you thought were "Great Guys"!! So what you said, was Delta doesn't like great guys? You made a good choice for you, Delta is a great place. Be proud to work there just as I am to work at UAL. I'm sorry your friend doesn't like it here. Maybe, you can help him get on at Delta!!
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Old 11-02-2013 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Really
Congrats on the new job at Delta!! Sounds like you're well prepared. However, you sound a little hypocritical in the two comments I highlighted!! You say your friend who was "very professional" told you not to go to UAL. To me thats not very "Professional" thats opinionated! If someone asked about my airline (UAL) I would give them the "+" and "-" of the company and let them make their own choice. And you say that Delta knows exactly what they want. Yet in the next breath you say they canned two guys in your interview class that you thought were "Great Guys"!! So what you said, was Delta doesn't like great guys? You made a good choice for you, Delta is a great place. Be proud to work there just as I am to work at UAL. I'm sorry your friend doesn't like it here. Maybe, you can help him get on at Delta!!
Thicken up your skin...15-20 years ago you would have read the same post with the names of the airlines swapped. The "best airline" is the one that offers you the job.
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Old 11-02-2013 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Really
Congrats on the new job at Delta!! Sounds like you're well prepared. However, you sound a little hypocritical in the two comments I highlighted!! You say your friend who was "very professional" told you not to go to UAL.

No, that's NOT what his friend said. Go back and re-read his post.

To me thats not very "Professional" thats opinionated! If someone asked about my airline (UAL) I would give them the "+" and "-" of the company and let them make their own choice. And you say that Delta knows exactly what they want. Yet in the next breath you say they canned two guys in your interview class that you thought were "Great Guys"!! So what you said, was Delta doesn't like great guys?

So, in your opinion, "Great Guys" cannot tank an interview? Hmmmmmm. You are chastising him for being empathetic towards others? Wow, what does that say about you?


You made a good choice for you, Delta is a great place. Be proud to work there just as I am to work at UAL. I'm sorry your friend doesn't like it here. Maybe, you can help him get on at Delta!!
Indy sounds like just the kind of person I want to fly around with. I'm glad Delta hired him.

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Old 11-02-2013 | 08:42 AM
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Never intended that to be a dig on UAL. Sorry that I came across that way. UAL was a place I would have loved to have landed my second career. I have many friends who recently have. Did not mean to come across as gloating or hypocritical.

BTW, if you knew the story behind my friend, his "professional" nature wouldn't even be a discussion item. His comment, which surprised me and why I referenced it, related to the relative harmony between the labor groups and management. The corporation is, in his estimation, a team working toward common goals...together. It sounds like that's not very common in the industry and has strategic consequences...that's all.

Getting to know the two guys sent away from my group, and how high caliber they were is the reason for my deduction that Delta is looking for something more that being a good dude and a good pilot. I do not pretend to know the secret. All I know is, the DAL interview was tough. It took me a lot of work to be ready. From what I saw, even that might not be enough.

Glad I made it.
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Old 11-02-2013 | 09:16 AM
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Congrats Indy! Welcome aboard.
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