Delta Hiring News
12-17-2013, 06:47 AM
#2891
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Just curious Shy, Is it also unjust when Northeast, Pan Am, Western, and Northwest pilots that also may not have degrees are at DAL now? I bet not even an interview or tested.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 12-17-2013 at 07:00 AM.
12-17-2013, 06:56 AM
#2892
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
PNCL was FORCED into bankruptcy by DAL because that's what DAL wanted! So as long as you work for the carrier that is doing the forcing its ok. Based on history I am sure DAL and ALPA would have been there for everyone that lost jobs at Pinnacle if they were dissolved or liquidated so unemployment would be short lived right?
However Pinnacle left too large a hole in the network to vanish and Delta had just committed to somewhere around 2 Billion in new NextGen RJ's which your pilots are already operating ... the idea that your airline was going away was specious.
Your group did not pause for a minute when they negotiated to take the preferential interview provisions which existed to benefit ALPA members who had actually lost their jobs (ie Comair) and give these provisions to your senior six figure earning employed Captains, so that you could enjoy progression into the bright shiny new equipment your agreement committed to you.
I am against my union being manipulated to take help away from those who actually need it and trade it for concessions so you enjoy progression.
Originally Posted by Delta Pilot Working Agreement
12. The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 D. 11.
1 D 11. The Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve-month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. Airmen who flow up pursuant to LOA #9 and LOA #10 count toward satisfaction of such minimum percentage.
1 D 11. The Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve-month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. Airmen who flow up pursuant to LOA #9 and LOA #10 count toward satisfaction of such minimum percentage.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 12-17-2013 at 07:09 AM.
12-17-2013, 06:59 AM
#2893
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Because a preferential hiring scheme is not a merger. You can't fly my jets and I can't fly yours without an interview. I don't help make your job more secure and you don't help make mine more secure. We are divided.
A preferential hiring scheme is no replacement for unity.
A preferential hiring scheme is no replacement for unity.
12-17-2013, 07:00 AM
#2894
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Just curious Shy, Is it also unjust when Northeast, Pan Am, Western, and Northwest pilots that also may not have degrees are at DAL now? I bet not even an interview or tested.
12-17-2013, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Delta did not force Pinnacle into bankruptcy. Pinnacle management underbid GoJets, SkyWest, Expressjet, Mesa / Freedom, and Eagle to obtain their flying in 2010/2011. Jerry Atkin said it plainly enough, "at those prices we lose money." With Pinnacle's bid they obtained the the "best of the best" title from GoJets from Delta's very fickle, "what have you done for me lately," express airline management. Pinnacle worked themselves into bankruptcy by agreeing to a contract which hurt everyone else in the industry, meanwhile your group negotiated short lived raises. Your airline was in bankruptcy because of your airline's management and their greed.
However Pinnacle left too large a hole in the network to vanish and Delta had just committed to somewhere around 2 Billion in new NextGen RJ's which your pilots are already operating ... the idea that your airline was going away was specious.
Your group did not pause for a minute when they negotiated to take the preferential interview provisions which existed to benefit ALPA members who had actually lost their jobs (ie Comair) and give these provisions to your senior six figure earning employed Captains, so that you could enjoy progression into the bright shiny new equipment your agreement committed to you.
I am against my union being manipulated to take help away from those who actually need it and trade it for concessions so you enjoy progession.
However Pinnacle left too large a hole in the network to vanish and Delta had just committed to somewhere around 2 Billion in new NextGen RJ's which your pilots are already operating ... the idea that your airline was going away was specious.
Your group did not pause for a minute when they negotiated to take the preferential interview provisions which existed to benefit ALPA members who had actually lost their jobs (ie Comair) and give these provisions to your senior six figure earning employed Captains, so that you could enjoy progression into the bright shiny new equipment your agreement committed to you.
I am against my union being manipulated to take help away from those who actually need it and trade it for concessions so you enjoy progession.
12-17-2013, 07:04 AM
#2896
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
That happened at regionals all the time. Especially Pinnacle. Normal mins 1200/200? No problem, just pay $40k for a "jet transition course" for JetU, ATP, or Riddle and you can come with 250/10! And just out of curiosity, I'm interested to hear what people like you and ShyGuy think about the "fairness" about the new ATP rule and airline hiring. Is it fair that because you went to a school with a powerful state lobbyist that you can have reduced hiring mins vs someone that went to a different aviation school but needs the full time?
As rumors go so maybe its wrong but I was told DAL also held back payments to PNCL knowing it would force them into bankruptcy.
12-17-2013, 07:08 AM
#2897
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Entirely different situation. They are not newhires at Delta. They were other legacy airline pilots that were merged into Delta. The regionals have not merged into Delta. They are showing up to interview for a pilot job like any other street hire. Therefore, they should have to meet the same published requirements for Delta Air Lines.
12-17-2013, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
As rumors go so maybe its wrong but I was told DAL also held back payments to PNCL knowing it would force them into bankruptcy.
Originally Posted by PRN Newswire
MEMPHIS, Tenn., May 16, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (OTCMarkets.com: PNCLQ) today announced that it has received final approval from the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York for $74.3 million in debtor-in-possession (DIP) financing. The funding is being provided by Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Pinnacle bankruptcy, Delta bailout tells tale of current airline industry - Memphis Business Journal
12-17-2013, 07:14 AM
#2900
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Originally Posted by Catboatsailor
BB the ball is in your court. If you want unity, you have to fix it. We can't from down here.
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