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Old 12-16-2013 | 08:01 AM
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The funny thing about this suit you'll buy: It'll hang in the closet for the rest of your life, taken down only once every 5 years for weddings and high-falutin' socials.
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Old 12-16-2013 | 08:03 AM
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The funny thing about this suit you'll buy: It'll hang in the closet for the rest of your life, taken down only once every 5 years for weddings and high-falutin' socials.
Maybe for you. Mine comes with me on every overnight. Every. Overnight.

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Old 12-17-2013 | 02:28 AM
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Yes, they have. It's unjust to those who do meet Delta's published hiring requirements. When they said C's get degrees, they didn't mean concessions.
Just curious Shy, Is it also unjust when Northeast, Pan Am, Western, and Northwest pilots that also may not have degrees are at DAL now? I bet not even an interview or tested.
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Old 12-17-2013 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Just curious Shy, Is it also unjust when Northeast, Pan Am, Western, and Northwest pilots that also may not have degrees are at DAL now? I bet not even an interview or tested.
There is a difference:

Scenario 1) An airline was acquired and its equipment and employees integrated.

Scenarios 2) An airline was in negotiations and was given a "pay cuts for jobs at mainline," offer.

The second sets are damaging precedent. It's selling jobs and thereby lowering standards.
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Old 12-17-2013 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
There is a difference:

Scenario 1) An airwas a quired and its equipment and employees integrated.

Scenarios 2) An airline was in negotiations and was given a "pay cuts for jobs at mainline," offer.

The second sets are damaging precedent. It's selling jobs and thereby lowering standards.
100% agree with you

It is essentially two separate hiring mins. IMO there should be only one. Maybe
that's because I recently finished my degree with only a future job at Delta as the driving force behind that
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Old 12-17-2013 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
There is a difference:

Scenario 1) An airline was acquired and its equipment and employees integrated.

Scenarios 2) An airline was in negotiations and was given a "pay cuts for jobs at mainline," offer.

The second sets are damaging precedent. It's selling jobs and thereby lowering standards.
Except your observation is incorrect. It was not "negotiations." It was more of a one way bankrupcy street. It was not "take pay cuts for jobs at mainline." Not even close. Not even if you word it "take pay cuts for a INTERVIEW at mainline." Now if you word it "take pay cuts or you will wind up like Comair, or have an even worse judge imposed contract rammed down your throats, oh and by the way here is an interview too..." then you would be correct. I don't know of anybody who voted yes solely for the SSP, they voted to have a paycheck while they wait for a call for another regional, major, or even non aviation job.
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Old 12-17-2013 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
There is a difference:

Scenario 1) An airline was acquired and its equipment and employees integrated.

Scenarios 2) An airline was in negotiations and was given a "pay cuts for jobs at mainline," offer.

The second sets are damaging precedent. It's selling jobs and thereby lowering standards.
Thanks for NOT answering my question. I didn't ask is there a difference. I already understand the difference because I am not mainline and rules and equality do NOT apply at the regional level. Only at the mainline. I fail to see your analogy about selling. PNCL was FORCED into bankruptcy by DAL because that's what DAL wanted! So as long as you work for the carrier that is doing the forcing its ok. Based on history I am sure DAL and ALPA would have been there for everyone that lost jobs at Pinnacle if they were dissolved or liquidated so unemployment would be short lived right?

Is there a difference between acquired and bought? Acquired or bought for mainline- employees get integrated.
For a regional they may get an interview maybe or just look for jobs elsewhere.

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Old 12-17-2013 | 06:05 AM
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Thanks for NOT answering my question. I didn't ask is there a difference. I already understand the difference because I am not mainline and rules and equality do NOT apply at the regional level. Only at the mainline. I fail to see your analogy about selling. PNCL was FORCED into bankruptcy by DAL because that's what DAL wanted! So as long as you work for the carrier that is doing the forcing its ok. Based on history I am sure DAL and ALPA would have been there for everyone that lost jobs at Pinnacle if they were dissolved or liquidated so unemployment would be short lived right?
Stop the presses! An airline went bankrupt! History was made!

Sorry, but it happens all the time -- at the mainline, LCC, cargo and regional level. What's unfair is that somehow, someone, insisted on preferential interviews with a different set of hiring minimums for a group of pilots.
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Old 12-17-2013 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Stop the presses! An airline went bankrupt! History was made!

Sorry, but it happens all the time -- at the mainline, LCC, cargo and regional level. What's unfair is that somehow, someone, insisted on preferential interviews with a different set of hiring minimums for a group of pilots.

That happened at regionals all the time. Especially Pinnacle. Normal mins 1200/200? No problem, just pay $40k for a "jet transition course" for JetU, ATP, or Riddle and you can come with 250/10! And just out of curiosity, I'm interested to hear what people like you and ShyGuy think about the "fairness" about the new ATP rule and airline hiring. Is it fair that because you went to a school with a powerful state lobbyist that you can have reduced hiring mins vs someone that went to a different aviation school but needs the full time?
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Old 12-17-2013 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Stop the presses! An airline went bankrupt! History was made!

Sorry, but it happens all the time -- at the mainline, LCC, cargo and regional level. What's unfair is that somehow, someone, insisted on preferential interviews with a different set of hiring minimums for a group of pilots.
Absolutely correct but you left out the part about and some get to have jobs without even being interviewed because they are at the mainline like you say "different set of hiring minimums for a group of pilots" but both ALPA.
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