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Old 12-14-2013 | 05:10 AM
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does anyone know when the next group of invites go out? Are they sent out weekly or in mass form, like a month worth of interviews at a time?

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Old 12-14-2013 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Almost all the nonmilitary pilots being hired right now are from Endeavor and almost zero from the thousands of other regional pilots with great resumes and tons of experience.
As a 2400 TT fighter IP/EP who recently left active duty (and continues to fly in the ANG), I'm beginning to think I made a mistake coming to a DCI carrier. Several friends, both straight mil and mil/121, have been invited by DL to interview, yet I haven't heard of anyone from my DCI carrier getting an invitation, including several who have thousands of military hours, grad degrees, senior recs, etc.
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Old 12-14-2013 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Pancake
As a 2400 TT fighter IP/EP who recently left active duty (and continues to fly in the ANG), I'm beginning to think I made a mistake coming to a DCI carrier. Several friends, both straight mil and mil/121, have been invited by DL to interview, yet I haven't heard of anyone from my DCI carrier getting an invitation, including several who have thousands of military hours, grad degrees, senior recs, etc.
Personally, I don't see the benefit of going to a regional if you can bum in the guard, but with that said, it is early in the wave...extremely early.
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Old 12-14-2013 | 06:58 AM
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Yet he rarely hesitates to chastise the 9E group without including ALL the other dysfunctional entities involved.
The Representatives of the Delta pilots are called to task because they the have the ability and responsibility to advance the interests of the Delta pilots.

Lowering the standard for Delta pilots in exchange for pay concessions was a result of various violations of the ALPA Constitution and Administrative Manual. It is the responsibility of Delta's Representatives to enforce these provisions in our governing documents. The task falls very specifically on the desk of our MEC Chairman. Once our new Chair settles in, I will try to schedule some time with him.

Pinnacles deal is history. My goal is to ensure going forward such action is not repeated. ALPA needs to get out of the business of selling mainline jobs so as to benefit some members through harm to other members (as we see well exemplified here).

I strongly support ALPA and Nationals mission (just doubled my PAC for the year). We can, and will, improve our union.
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Old 12-14-2013 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Personally, I don't see the benefit of going to a regional if you can bum in the guard, but with that said, it is early in the wave...extremely early.
Six months ago, my thought was that filling the 121 square (Airline Apps) would make me more competitive. I now realize I may have been mistaken.

BL: there are lots of mil pilots with outstanding resumes at my regional who aren't getting calls.
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Old 12-14-2013 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pancake
Six months ago, my thought was that filling the 121 square (Airline Apps) would make me more competitive. I now realize I may have been mistaken.

BL: there are lots of mil pilots with outstanding resumes at my regional who aren't getting calls.
Be patient. There have only been about 200 interviewed. It is way too early to wonder why you are not being called. There are thousands of applications on file.
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Old 12-14-2013 | 10:05 AM
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Pancake, I understand your frustration having gone through the process. It took me four years to get an interview with Delta (I'm civilian). Although it can be tough, be patient. The process is in its infancy, and with thousands of apps, sometimes one person gets called and another with equal qualifications doesn't for a while. With the time you have, it is a matter of when not if an airline calls you in. Good luck to you!
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Old 12-14-2013 | 10:53 AM
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I think it was a SSP interview day and 4 of 8 got the nod. From what I've been reading the overall rate has been about 50%.
Hey, thanks for the update.
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Old 12-14-2013 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pancake
Six months ago, my thought was that filling the 121 square (Airline Apps) would make me more competitive. I now realize I may have been mistaken.

BL: there are lots of mil pilots with outstanding resumes at my regional who aren't getting calls.
I feel your pain, I'm a Reserve baby and did the 121 regional box check 10 yrs ago with Comair. Haven't received a call yet but honestly there are so many qualified guys/gals out there right now it's a little early to be getting down. Our time will come. Just keep flying and updating your resume and I'll see you on the line soon.
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Old 12-14-2013 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
The bad part for the regional indusry is that Delta's experiment worked. There are interview weeks where only Endeavor pilots are interviewing and getting the job. Almost all the nonmilitary pilots being hired right now are from Endeavor and almost zero from the thousands of other regional pilots with great resumes and tons of experience. Nothing against the guys getting hired but the experiment for Delta worked. Large concessions forced with a job at mainline for it. This is a bad president for the rest of the regionals.
The experiment is decades old though. For every one super senior buck fifty plus a year sleeps in his own bed every night check airman regional lifer or whatever, there are 10 or 20 making 20-70/year who got into it for the eventual payday of "Paris, First Class, Iternational" and its always been that way. Neither Delta or Pinnacle invented that. It goes way back too. Some of the hardest and most dangerous/skill required jobs in this industry pay the least and still get plenty of applicants because they are selling their time to get flight time.

All of the regionals, all of them, exist because, and only because, pilots are willing to fly for less now so that hopefully one day they can fly for a lot more. That's the market we live in, and when we sell/allow/tolerate scope concessions at the mainline level, the last thing we can do is sit back and act like the 100% inevitable result is some grand genius management brainchild.

If anything, mainline managements over the decades have managed to pee away many, many billions with the generous gift of regional outsourcing they've been given precicely because they have no idea what they are doing in the grand scheme of things. Outsourcing just to outsource is no act of genius nor does it require a 6 figure MBA, though more than a few buy them anyway.
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