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Old 04-23-2015 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CL300
I know two Compass flows that are on DL property now without college degrees, so it seems there's an exception to every rule.
Not an exception. They 'flowed'. Meaning, they did not have to meet the minimum requirements to 'apply'.....
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Old 04-23-2015 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
i think that is per person sending the rec for the same person...
Nope. At least, that's not what Capt Miller said. In fact, he specifically addressed the question about different internals for the same applicant. He did acknowledge that some folks get through the cracks, and get re-scored 'early', but 1 score per year per applicant is the official policy. I'd still give it a try, fwiw.

Originally Posted by BrasiliaFlyer
Can the recommendation come from a new hire who is still in training? Does the company give any kind of weight to recommendations from senior pilots?
Yes, Also heard from Capt Miller, as Hrkdrivr stated.

Originally Posted by jetracer5
Any rumors on Delta dropping the 4 year degree requirement? They seem to be the last airline that requires it.
No, that is actually a big deal with big points for scoring. If you took 5+ years to get a BS/BA, that may hurt your score, even if you have a good reason. If you get called for an interview, prepare to explain.

Originally Posted by ArmyRC12Dude
So, is the internal rec that triggers a re-score one that is sent in to be added to the airlineapps file or one sent directly to pilot selection?

There are two types of 'recommendation'. One is the Airline Apps rec, that does NOT have to be internal to Delta btw (though you should max out your internals, if able). The one we are talking about here is an internal e-mail that any Delta pilot can send to the pilot selection team asking them to score their buddy's application (but keep in mind, you attached to their name, so if you make a fool of yourself, it may reflect on them and their ability to get another app scored).

Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
From Capt OC Miller...

Yes a newhire can recommend someone. His response to that question was, "Are you a Delta Air Lines pilot or not?"

No extra points for a rec from a senior pilot. You need an email from your internal to the hiring office to get your APP scored. The score determines whether or not you get an invite.
+1, except that you don't HAVE to have an internal e-mail to get your app scored. Attendance at a career fair will also get your app scored. Either method will get your app scored. If you make the minimum score, you will get a call. Expect the minimum score to drop a little in the coming years, btw.

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Old 04-23-2015 | 07:47 PM
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Good work. Very informative Fang.

For civilians, is the internal email to invite timeframe still running 1-2 months? I'm coming up on the 2 month mark and starting to worry...
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Old 04-23-2015 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FLY6584
So you're saying that a 3.43 GPA in Aerospace Engineering with Cum Laude Honors that took 5 years to complete while also attaining my civilian ratings and participating in AFROTC will actually hurt me?

When you say "5+ years" are you saying "greater than 5 years" or "5 years and greater"?
Short answer is, I don't know - just trying relay what was told to us.

I would not say it will hurt you though. My impression from Capt Millers comment was you may lose some points over what you would have gotten by finishing in 4 years. He said Delta does care about the 4-year degree. How it all factors in is a well kept secret. In the end you surely have other areas to make up that point. And it sure sounds like you can explain it if asked in the interview.

I wouldn't worry about it. Truly.
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Old 04-23-2015 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Nope. At least, that's not what Capt Miller said. In fact, he specifically addressed the question about different internals for the same applicant. He did acknowledge that some folks get through the cracks, and get re-scored 'early', but 1 score per year per applicant is the official policy. I'd still give it a try, fwiw.
Hmm. I was under the impression that each internal rec got your application scored, so guys were spacing there internal recs out by a few months each, assuming they had like 2 or 3 internal recs. If an applicant can only be scored once per year - regardless of how many internal email recs are sent in and regardless of how many job fairs you attend, that is news to me - and quite a big difference from how I understood it to work.

Of course, I have no official basis on why I originally thought you would be scored PER internal rec, but I just assumed that was the way it worked. Either way, thanks for clarifying.
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Old 04-23-2015 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BrasiliaFlyer
For civilians, is the internal email to invite timeframe still running 1-2 months? I'm coming up on the 2 month mark and starting to worry...
I don't think it matters Mil/Civ for internals. I've heard timing more and less than 2 months. What's your availability date? That matters more.
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Old 04-23-2015 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I don't think it matters Mil/Civ for internals. I've heard timing more and less than 2 months. What's your availability date? That matters more.

Thanks... Two weeks availability!
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Old 04-23-2015 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by C130
Hmm. I was under the impression that each internal rec got your application scored, so guys were spacing there internal recs out by a few months each, assuming they had like 2 or 3 internal recs. If an applicant can only be scored once per year - regardless of how many internal email recs are sent in and regardless of how many job fairs you attend, that is news to me - and quite a big difference from how I understood it to work.

Of course, I have no official basis on why I originally thought you would be scored PER internal rec, but I just assumed that was the way it worked. Either way, thanks for clarifying.
Your app can be scored more than once per year. It's just the policy on an internal Rec triggering a score that is once per year. Officially.

Keep in mind, because it's manually scored by multiple people, it's a huge time suck given the courtesy the company extends to its pilots. Thus the policy limiting it takes something the company deems 'reasonable'. But again, folks slip through the cracks, so give it a try once per quarter or so. Good luck!
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Old 04-23-2015 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jetracer5
Any rumors on Delta dropping the 4 year degree requirement? They seem to be the last airline that requires it.
I didn't realize that was a rumor. I had heard the complete opposite (and if memory serves me, I am about 100% sure that a few pages back, I posted written internal ppt documentation to prove how highly Delta values education). I wrote about how they actually look very highly on master's degrees and other education/professional development. So, no, I don't see them foregoing the college degree requirement any time soon.

FedEx and Southwest still require a bachelors. United and UPS "prefer" it, and American is the only one that doesn't list it as a requirement on their website. Do you really think you will get hired without one? Think about it, with 12K+ qualified applicants with degrees already, all fighting for 100 or so interviews a month at Delta or United, why the **** would they lower the standards or get rid of a basic discriminator like a 4-year degree?
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Old 04-24-2015 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by C130
Hmm. I was under the impression that each internal rec got your application scored, so guys were spacing there internal recs out by a few months each, assuming they had like 2 or 3 internal recs. If an applicant can only be scored once per year - regardless of how many internal email recs are sent in and regardless of how many job fairs you attend, that is news to me - and quite a big difference from how I understood it to work.



Of course, I have no official basis on why I originally thought you would be scored PER internal rec, but I just assumed that was the way it worked. Either way, thanks for clarifying.

At WIA they said it was per internal and to spread them out to trigger re-scores as you build time


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