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Old 04-13-2014 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Agreed...I think there is plenty of uncertainty and potential bad news in their future.
Can you provide a little more detail? Are you talking SLI or something else?
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Old 04-13-2014 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Snoopy 01
Can you provide a little more detail? Are you talking SLI or something else?
SLI, merger consolidation, three different pilot groups (four if you count the TWA guys), lawsuits, etc. Ask the US Air guys.
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Old 04-13-2014 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
The flow-ups are Delta honoring a contractual agreement. Right, wrong, or indifferent, Delta made good on a promise, which in this day & age, I think shows a lot of class.
Moreover, they're about the *first* airline to honor a flowup without legal action forcing it, the previous examples at Eagle/AA and ExpressJet/CO were very messy. DAL honored the flow agreement that NW signed, and continued to honor it for those on property when they sold CP & XJ. Whatever my feelings on Delta's handling of DCI, their sticking to their word on flow agreements made a strong impression on me.

Unfortunately, the fact that there are so many flows at the moment means there aren't a ton of slots for off the street hires - thus, the astronaut selection process. I think that'll change later in the year as there will be quite a few months with no flows and a ton of off the street hiring, certainly a whole lot more than they were talking a few months ago.
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Old 04-13-2014 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Delta "Airlines?" C'mon Bar.

On a similar note, I have an AF2 buddy. He didn't make the cut.
I blame voice recognition in stock Android.
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Old 04-14-2014 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
SLI, merger consolidation, three different pilot groups (four if you count the TWA guys), lawsuits, etc. Ask the US Air guys.
Don't forget the Reno guys, and arguably the Eagle flows to the mix. My neighbor was hired at Piedmont in 1987 and he is currently an FO on the baby bus because that's the best he can do. Bet your coach could be more senior on the future list. Glad we are not in their shoes! Cheers H
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Old 04-14-2014 | 09:31 AM
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Well if theyre taking the first class available (AA), its not like they cant leave later once DAL calls. I would guess, however, the thought of retiring top 100 on that seniority list (which they probably are looking at) is going to keep them at AA. To each his/her own. You'll see people leave every major for every other major based on whatever personal reasons. The majors account for this in their hiring.
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Old 04-14-2014 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Moondog
Correct me if I am wrong, and I am sure you will. Looking the pay rates on this site, when you upgrade to Captain, you go into the chart at your current year of service? I figured you went to the year 1 Capt pay. Still patiently waiting on an email.
Yeah, you go in at your current longevity but for some idiotic reason, it stops at 12 so the only way anybody ever gets any pay increase is thru a new contract. So once again, we put ourselves at the mercy of management. If they choose to drag their feet when there is a contract in negotiations, nobody gets a pay increase that has been around more than 12 years until it is agreed upon. Insanity.
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Old 04-14-2014 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Yeah, you go in at your current longevity but for some idiotic reason, it stops at 12 so the only way anybody ever gets any pay increase is thru a new contract. So once again, we put ourselves at the mercy of management. If they choose to drag their feet when there is a contract in negotiations, nobody gets a pay increase that has been around more than 12 years until it is agreed upon. Insanity.
Honestly I'd rather have a quicker advancement with a shorter, steeper income incline than one that is drawn out over 18 years. JMHO.
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Old 04-14-2014 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Honestly I'd rather have a quicker advancement with a shorter, steeper income incline than one that is drawn out over 18 years. JMHO.
Agreed. the 12 year pay scale is a VERY GOOD thing. I work at a company with a 25 year pay scale and not one person would choose that over a 12 year scale. If you wanted a longer payscale duration, all they would do is take that 12 year figure and stretch it out however many more years to get the same maximum figure, thereby costing you money.
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Old 04-14-2014 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Yeah, you go in at your current longevity but for some idiotic reason, it stops at 12 so the only way anybody ever gets any pay increase is thru a new contract. So once again, we put ourselves at the mercy of management. If they choose to drag their feet when there is a contract in negotiations, nobody gets a pay increase that has been around more than 12 years until it is agreed upon. Insanity.
What are you willing to give up for that? Lower paying scale for those with less than 12 years?
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