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Old 02-21-2016 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by M20EPilot
For my own education here: I have searched this thread and see multiple references to Delta tier 1/2/3 applicants, but little concretely defining them.

I did attend WAI last year and the Delta presentation there and remember many (but not all) of the criteria Delta prefers, but really cannot remember any mention there of the 'tier' system. Does that system really exist, or is it something invented on APC? If it really does exist, any pointers on figuring out where you fall?

There is nothing mysterious, elitist, or evil about the "tier" system. It is just a way to sort through thousands of applications in a methodical fashion. The bottom line is that Delta and every other airline that is hiring has a method to determine who to call first - that is all the tier system is.

Get your App in, get an in house recommendation, stay current, and try to get as many qualifications as you can - that is all you can do.

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Old 02-21-2016 | 08:31 PM
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I gather that there's been an additional batch of 400 questions added to the pilot job knowledge test bank, and maybe a few cog test changes.

I would like to know if the seven page outline with a Delta header titled: "Pilot Job Knowledge Test Outline" is still a valid guide to focus the study. It lists four areas: Aero, Engineering, Air Nav, and Meteorology... At the end it has a list of suggested references.

Any readouts from recent interviewees, or additional study references, would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 02:50 PM
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I am wondering what type of volunteering is valued for a prospective candidate. I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in the kids program once or twice a week and was wondering how that would be perceived by the hiring panel. Thanks.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
Make sure the app is absolutely 100% ready and published before they send in the rec. Don't rush to get it done. Do it right because of the 1-per-year rec/score. Lots of rumors about how to get multiple scores, but if you have a 100% app on the first time, it won't need to test that theory.
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That's an applicant having their rec scored once per year?

And, do you know if there is an unwritten suggested maximum frequency of a current pilot sending in a recommendation for applicants?

One rec a year? One rec every six months? One a month? Obviously one would not want to dilute the meaning of their recommendations, but I'm sure many can also think of more than just one or two people to recommend, and if they all meet the competitive interview minimums, then . . . ?

Sorry I wasn't very clear. A DL pilot can submit a recommendation for a candidate (email that triggers the pull-and-score) only once per year for that candidate. (my understanding)

I don't know if sending the email for multiple candidates 'dilutes' their credibility. I'd think that if a current pilot recommended 10 candidates in a month and all 10 got job offers the hiring folks would greatly appreciate it. If, however, they recommended 10 and none of them met the minimums to trigger an invite,...I don't know.

On AirlineApps, a candidate can have as many recommendation letters, internal and external, as they can gather. I don't know how they all weigh out, though. i.e. external-flying, external non-fly, internal, etc. I imagine that the internals weigh more heavily than externals.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cynicalaviator
Hello,
I am wondering what type of volunteering is valued for a prospective candidate. I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in the kids program once or twice a week and was wondering how that would be perceived by the hiring panel. Thanks.
Sounds like good community involvement/mentoring to me. I would list it.
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Old 02-22-2016 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
Sorry I wasn't very clear. A DL pilot can submit a recommendation for a candidate (email that triggers the pull-and-score) only once per year for that candidate. (my understanding)

I don't know if sending the email for multiple candidates 'dilutes' their credibility. I'd think that if a current pilot recommended 10 candidates in a month and all 10 got job offers the hiring folks would greatly appreciate it. If, however, they recommended 10 and none of them met the minimums to trigger an invite,...I don't know.

On AirlineApps, a candidate can have as many recommendation letters, internal and external, as they can gather. I don't know how they all weigh out, though. i.e. external-flying, external non-fly, internal, etc. I imagine that the internals weigh more heavily than externals.
And any thoughts about multiple people sending the rec? Does the app get pulled every time someone new sends a rec?
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Old 02-23-2016 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Galaxy5
And any thoughts about multiple people sending the rec? Does the app get pulled every time someone new sends a rec?

No. I thought about the "shock and awe" approach too but was told only one is needed and any more than that wouldn't get you scored again.
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Old 02-23-2016 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cynicalaviator
Hello,
I am wondering what type of volunteering is valued for a prospective candidate. I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in the kids program once or twice a week and was wondering how that would be perceived by the hiring panel. Thanks.
Plus the ability to choke out customers on a moment's notice is always helpful.
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Old 02-23-2016 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingJman
I gather that there's been an additional batch of 400 questions added to the pilot job knowledge test bank, and maybe a few cog test changes.

I would like to know if the seven page outline with a Delta header titled: "Pilot Job Knowledge Test Outline" is still a valid guide to focus the study. It lists four areas: Aero, Engineering, Air Nav, and Meteorology... At the end it has a list of suggested references.

Any readouts from recent interviewees, or additional study references, would be greatly appreciated.
Not a recent interviewee, but just wanted to point out something to consider:

Yes, the questions seem to have changed, BUT Delta did not send out a different study guide.

Additionally, although the 4 Feb class seems to have taken a hit in terms of who was/wasn't hired the first time they sprung the new test questions, people HAVE passed the test and been hired on subsequent interview dates.

The only logical inference I can make from that is that, yes, the new questions are, in general, on the same topics and of similar style to the old questions.

If the questions were on some new, off-the-wall topics, we wouldn't see pilots who'd been prepping using the old material passing the new test.
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Old 02-23-2016 | 06:11 AM
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In addition to the post above, this reinforces the idea of studying and learning the material and not specific questions. The question bank is so big you could study the old guide and take old test and not see any same questions either.
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