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09-03-2014 | 05:47 AM
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09-03-2014 | 05:48 AM
#1322
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09-03-2014 | 05:51 AM
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Carl
09-03-2014 | 06:31 AM
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You just said that to make my head explode, right? 
Did you forget we took a 42% pay cut, lost our pension, and had thousands of our jobs outsourced resulting in a full decade of stagnation... and today our rates are STILL 34% below the buying power we had before the pay cuts? Of course you didn't! Now, explain to me how being cost neutral is a good thing.
Did you forget we took a 42% pay cut, lost our pension, and had thousands of our jobs outsourced resulting in a full decade of stagnation... and today our rates are STILL 34% below the buying power we had before the pay cuts? Of course you didn't! Now, explain to me how being cost neutral is a good thing.
09-03-2014 | 06:40 AM
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That dude is a real people person ain't he. 
Easy, and this is at least the tenth time I've told you this. They didn't give us $1 billion. You guys have made that number up out of whole cloth by adding gains without accounting for losses. Management has consistently described our contract as "cost neutral." But then they went further by stating: "The additional savings realized from the pilot's contract will allow us to fund initiatives for the benefit of other Delta employees." Then they followed through by recently announcing that all employees at Delta have been returned to their pre-bankruptcy wages...except the pilots.
There's no question that our contract cost the company nothing when it's costs are balanced against its savings. No question. But there is mounting evidence that shows it may have been close to benefit neutral to us when it's increased wage rates are balanced against its concessions.
Carl
Easy, and this is at least the tenth time I've told you this. They didn't give us $1 billion. You guys have made that number up out of whole cloth by adding gains without accounting for losses. Management has consistently described our contract as "cost neutral." But then they went further by stating: "The additional savings realized from the pilot's contract will allow us to fund initiatives for the benefit of other Delta employees." Then they followed through by recently announcing that all employees at Delta have been returned to their pre-bankruptcy wages...except the pilots.
There's no question that our contract cost the company nothing when it's costs are balanced against its savings. No question. But there is mounting evidence that shows it may have been close to benefit neutral to us when it's increased wage rates are balanced against its concessions.
Carl
Please show me how we lost 1,795 pilots or will lose 1,795 pilots by 2015. Just to make your argument harder:
That is what real analysis looks like. Let's see your numbers.
09-03-2014 | 06:43 AM
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Then you should just admit that your post is just your typical turd throwing. "Cost neutral" has become some kind of flag you and Carl like to wave that means nothing and is just a way to try and get the high emotion/low information people to buy into your propaganda. Too bad, because I think you are a smart guy yet you hold onto that idiotic tactic.
And what is "game over"?
And what is "game over"?
09-03-2014 | 06:44 AM
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09-03-2014 | 06:45 AM
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Then you should just admit that your post is just your typical turd throwing. "Cost neutral" has become some kind of flag you and Carl like to wave that means nothing and is just a way to try and get the high emotion/low information people to buy into your propaganda. Too bad, because I think you are a smart guy yet you hold onto that tactic.
09-03-2014 | 06:46 AM
#1330
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You just said that to make my head explode, right?
Did you forget we took a 42% pay cut, lost our pension, and had thousands of our jobs outsourced resulting in a full decade of stagnation... and today our rates are STILL 34% below the buying power we had before the pay cuts? Of course you didn't! Now, explain to me how being cost neutral is a good thing.
Did you forget we took a 42% pay cut, lost our pension, and had thousands of our jobs outsourced resulting in a full decade of stagnation... and today our rates are STILL 34% below the buying power we had before the pay cuts? Of course you didn't! Now, explain to me how being cost neutral is a good thing.
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