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#1291
We're talking past each other Alan. There's no question that what I've stated is true. There was a big house cleaning among the MEC admins after C2012. That was proper use of reps' power. You're choosing to ignore that completely and only focus on the folks that were able to get back into admin positions or get re-elected. That is also correct, but neither mitigates the other. They both happened.
The main point is guys like slowplay, alfaromeo, hazzard, pinho, etc., never got back...yet.
Carl
Correction, hazzard got elected as a rep.
The main point is guys like slowplay, alfaromeo, hazzard, pinho, etc., never got back...yet.
Carl
Correction, hazzard got elected as a rep.
As you say, they both happened. Let's move on.
#1292
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 276
Yea yeah, I know. Rant over as I said. Was venting.
I'm over it. But in seriousness, instead of complaining, how about a list of great features DAL has which is better than AAL and UAL?
I love it here. Was just grumpy I lost an awesome trip. Which I think is nuts that provision is in the contract.
I'm working on notes for the contract survey.
I'm over it. But in seriousness, instead of complaining, how about a list of great features DAL has which is better than AAL and UAL?
I love it here. Was just grumpy I lost an awesome trip. Which I think is nuts that provision is in the contract.
I'm working on notes for the contract survey.
#1293
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
Well, my hero, I may have said mainline wouldn't grow, but I am allowed to change my viewpoint based upon what actually happens. Or am I frozen in one position from two years ago? Am I allowed to change my view?
I have never changed my story that the 717s wouldn't have come. They were too good of a deal. You, on the other hand, are the one that said they wouldn't come unless we signed on the dotted line. I believe you and your cronies tied c12 to 717s when in fact they were separate events and opportunities.
Management gave us a contract partially funded by concessions to expand DCI scope to buy desireable RJs. I was not the one that ever linked 717s to the contract, that was DALPA.
I done know where web board talking points come from. My mind has it's own perceptions and views. Some people say things better than I do. Does that make them talking points. I don't write anything unless it is my perception. Nobody prompts me, I don't strategize with anyone.
I've heard you're a smart guy. It's too bad you're not a nice guy. My perception is you have done some good things. I have no doubt you have worked hard and done what you think is right. I don't know why you have to view opposing views as the enemy, but that's your cross to bear.
I have never changed my story that the 717s wouldn't have come. They were too good of a deal. You, on the other hand, are the one that said they wouldn't come unless we signed on the dotted line. I believe you and your cronies tied c12 to 717s when in fact they were separate events and opportunities.
Management gave us a contract partially funded by concessions to expand DCI scope to buy desireable RJs. I was not the one that ever linked 717s to the contract, that was DALPA.
I done know where web board talking points come from. My mind has it's own perceptions and views. Some people say things better than I do. Does that make them talking points. I don't write anything unless it is my perception. Nobody prompts me, I don't strategize with anyone.
I've heard you're a smart guy. It's too bad you're not a nice guy. My perception is you have done some good things. I have no doubt you have worked hard and done what you think is right. I don't know why you have to view opposing views as the enemy, but that's your cross to bear.
The 717's were a good deal and so were the A-319's that they were looking at. The 717's were all or nothing so they had to find a way to unlock the financing and flying commitments on the 50 seaters in order to take the whole lot. If they couldn't get that, they would just take many fewer A-319's, keep a number of the 50 seaters, and let the 717's go elsewhere.
If the RJ-76's were not the key to unlocking the financing and flying commitments for the 50 seaters, then you must have some reason why all those third parties deliberately let Delta out of their contracts. Do you have an answer to that?
It shouldn't be too much to ask, that when you make definitive statements like "the 717's were coming anyway" that you have some logical explanation to back it up. You accuse me of lying about those aircraft and then get all touchy feely when it comes back at you.
#1294
Wow, Delta's contract sucks. What is good about this contract? I've found nothing so far except the pay is better than my regional.
Just got bit by the "*" rotation trip removal feature.
Okay, rant over.
Schedule survey to come. I hope folks read the contract comparisons.
Just got bit by the "*" rotation trip removal feature.
Okay, rant over.
Schedule survey to come. I hope folks read the contract comparisons.
#1295
Wow, Delta's contract sucks. What is good about this contract? I've found nothing so far except the pay is better than my regional.
Just got bit by the "*" rotation trip removal feature.
Okay, rant over.
Schedule survey to come. I hope folks read the contract comparisons.
Just got bit by the "*" rotation trip removal feature.
Okay, rant over.
Schedule survey to come. I hope folks read the contract comparisons.
#1296
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
Yea yeah, I know. Rant over as I said. Was venting.
I'm over it. But in seriousness, instead of complaining, how about a list of great features DAL has which is better than AAL and UAL?
I love it here. Was just grumpy I lost an awesome trip. Which I think is nuts that provision is in the contract.
I'm working on notes for the contract survey.
I'm over it. But in seriousness, instead of complaining, how about a list of great features DAL has which is better than AAL and UAL?
I love it here. Was just grumpy I lost an awesome trip. Which I think is nuts that provision is in the contract.
I'm working on notes for the contract survey.
#1297
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 276
Random thoughts, as putting things on public boards usually hurts negotiating...
Automatic number of "x" days off after a rotation, like spirits.
The ability to just cut a part a rotation which spills over into another month is nuts still. At least without the consent of the line holder. (Before bidding even opens and a conflict exists!)
Out of base swapping of trips. I already got hammered on that, but I still support it.
Higher monthly guarantee.
The sick bank, use or lose is crazy weird.
Vacation. I don't have it in front of me, but doesn't united max out at 12 years, verus dal at 22yrs (35 days of vac)...and a max of 42 days at UAL.
There are others, and I have constructive thoughts for the survey.
Again, I know it sounded like whining, which I take back... I was guily like others, but I guess, let's get back on the positive. Discuss positive aspects of the PWA, and areas to improve. That was a short list I came up with in a couple movements.
Other areas I would like to improve, less code sharing and JV. But everyone wants that. And of course take back as much scope as possible. I started long ago and believed in scope. Heck anything over 30 seats should be at mainline. I know it might never happen, but it's worth a shot to try to get there.
My belief is, the first mainline to take back most flying in house will be the premiere airline of the future. With the hiring and future changes in the US aviation market place... This could be golden. While some carriers struggle with schedules and cxl'd flights at regionals, the main line with "regional" flying back in house wins.
How do we get there.... It will be interesting. I dealt with whipsawing for well over a decade. So it's the same. Delta is whipsawed against regionals and the joint ventures....
The next contract, and the next decade may shape the next 30 years in the US airline industry. I hope we knock one out of the park.
Okay, back to my happy place.... A nice Harley ride.
Positive thoughts
Automatic number of "x" days off after a rotation, like spirits.
The ability to just cut a part a rotation which spills over into another month is nuts still. At least without the consent of the line holder. (Before bidding even opens and a conflict exists!)
Out of base swapping of trips. I already got hammered on that, but I still support it.
Higher monthly guarantee.
The sick bank, use or lose is crazy weird.
Vacation. I don't have it in front of me, but doesn't united max out at 12 years, verus dal at 22yrs (35 days of vac)...and a max of 42 days at UAL.
There are others, and I have constructive thoughts for the survey.
Again, I know it sounded like whining, which I take back... I was guily like others, but I guess, let's get back on the positive. Discuss positive aspects of the PWA, and areas to improve. That was a short list I came up with in a couple movements.
Other areas I would like to improve, less code sharing and JV. But everyone wants that. And of course take back as much scope as possible. I started long ago and believed in scope. Heck anything over 30 seats should be at mainline. I know it might never happen, but it's worth a shot to try to get there.
My belief is, the first mainline to take back most flying in house will be the premiere airline of the future. With the hiring and future changes in the US aviation market place... This could be golden. While some carriers struggle with schedules and cxl'd flights at regionals, the main line with "regional" flying back in house wins.
How do we get there.... It will be interesting. I dealt with whipsawing for well over a decade. So it's the same. Delta is whipsawed against regionals and the joint ventures....
The next contract, and the next decade may shape the next 30 years in the US airline industry. I hope we knock one out of the park.
Okay, back to my happy place.... A nice Harley ride.
Positive thoughts
#1298
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 276
I know, it was a hard learning lesson. It was a awesome trip btw. 4 day, 25 hours, commutable on both ends, and layovers in places I needed to be in. Like I posted, I'm over it. I learned another part of the contract today
#1299
Random thoughts, as putting things on public boards usually hurts negotiating...
Automatic number of "x" days off after a rotation, like spirits.
The ability to just cut a part a rotation which spills over into another month is nuts still. At least without the consent of the line holder. (Before bidding even opens and a conflict exists!)
Out of base swapping of trips. I already got hammered on that, but I still support it.
Higher monthly guarantee.
The sick bank, use or lose is crazy weird.
Vacation. I don't have it in front of me, but doesn't united max out at 12 years, verus dal at 22yrs (35 days of vac)...and a max of 42 days at UAL.
There are others, and I have constructive thoughts for the survey.
Again, I know it sounded like whining, which I take back... I was guily like others, but I guess, let's get back on the positive. Discuss positive aspects of the PWA, and areas to improve. That was a short list I came up with in a couple movements.
Other areas I would like to improve, less code sharing and JV. But everyone wants that. And of course take back as much scope as possible. I started long ago and believed in scope. Heck anything over 30 seats should be at mainline. I know it might never happen, but it's worth a shot to try to get there.
My belief is, the first mainline to take back most flying in house will be the premiere airline of the future. With the hiring and future changes in the US aviation market place... This could be golden. While some carriers struggle with schedules and cxl'd flights at regionals, the main line with "regional" flying back in house wins.
How do we get there.... It will be interesting. I dealt with whipsawing for well over a decade. So it's the same. Delta is whipsawed against regionals and the joint ventures....
The next contract, and the next decade may shape the next 30 years in the US airline industry. I hope we knock one out of the park.
Okay, back to my happy place.... A nice Harley ride.
Positive thoughts
Automatic number of "x" days off after a rotation, like spirits.
The ability to just cut a part a rotation which spills over into another month is nuts still. At least without the consent of the line holder. (Before bidding even opens and a conflict exists!)
Out of base swapping of trips. I already got hammered on that, but I still support it.
Higher monthly guarantee.
The sick bank, use or lose is crazy weird.
Vacation. I don't have it in front of me, but doesn't united max out at 12 years, verus dal at 22yrs (35 days of vac)...and a max of 42 days at UAL.
There are others, and I have constructive thoughts for the survey.
Again, I know it sounded like whining, which I take back... I was guily like others, but I guess, let's get back on the positive. Discuss positive aspects of the PWA, and areas to improve. That was a short list I came up with in a couple movements.
Other areas I would like to improve, less code sharing and JV. But everyone wants that. And of course take back as much scope as possible. I started long ago and believed in scope. Heck anything over 30 seats should be at mainline. I know it might never happen, but it's worth a shot to try to get there.
My belief is, the first mainline to take back most flying in house will be the premiere airline of the future. With the hiring and future changes in the US aviation market place... This could be golden. While some carriers struggle with schedules and cxl'd flights at regionals, the main line with "regional" flying back in house wins.
How do we get there.... It will be interesting. I dealt with whipsawing for well over a decade. So it's the same. Delta is whipsawed against regionals and the joint ventures....
The next contract, and the next decade may shape the next 30 years in the US airline industry. I hope we knock one out of the park.
Okay, back to my happy place.... A nice Harley ride.
Positive thoughts
#1300
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
United does get 42 days of vacation however not until 26 years of service. Did you look at their pay rates years 1 to 3 compared with Delta. If they dropped your entire trip how many pay protected hours are you getting?
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