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09-25-2014, 06:58 AM
#2291
Wind the clock beoch
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 437
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Perhaps because he never really wanted the job in the first place but took it out of a sense of duty.
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Even coming from you index this is ludicrous.
Please learn to read an LM-2 and understand what it means.
Please learn to read an LM-2 and understand what it means.
Whether the Donald made $1.3m or $1,278,848 is trivial. The point is he is FAR better off than any of the peons (us) he's supposed to represent.
09-25-2014, 06:59 AM
#2292
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
So... again, none of what Lee had to say as president to anyone had any effect on any of the stuff you outlined in your diatribe?
Originally Posted by tsquare
Why is it that you believe it will have such a dramatic effect? Or are you merely picking fly specks out of pepper? Lee doesn't vote for any of us. He will only be a rubber stamp on the first page of our contract. Or will this launch black helicopters so thick that they will scare the negotiators into bringing forth some sort of agreement that, even though distasteful to 12,000 pilots, will garner enough support to pass? Fear? That is the effect that these "statements" will produce? Really? It is a real shame that you have so little confidence in our negotiators.
I'll be honest with you. I haven't read that article because I don't care what he said. I will still read the TA, and I will still vote up or down based on its' merits. YMMV... (apparently)
I'll be honest with you. I haven't read that article because I don't care what he said. I will still read the TA, and I will still vote up or down based on its' merits. YMMV... (apparently)
Clamp has now asked this question three times. Alfaromeo dodged it twice, and you did your standard answering by asking other questions. Do you care to actually answer the question?
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:01 AM
#2293
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
Originally Posted by Timbo
All those little things add up to less manning required, obviously. That is my point.
As I said before, where I'm at today, it won't affect me at all, but go about half way down the list, that starts to add up to more stagnation for F/O's looking to upgrade and for new hires, well, you'd better get used to being on the bottom, when all the 747 pilots start raining down on you, while we are giving even more manning concessions with pay banding.
R.E. the 'we can mitigate it with increasing the vacation day' theory. No, you can't, unless you also stop allowing guys to pick up more flying in every vacation month.
Make Vacation both pay AND CREDIT, now you've fixed it.
Make the swap board and swap with the pot, subject to the same pickup limits as white slips, that will help mitigate pay banding too.
As I said before, where I'm at today, it won't affect me at all, but go about half way down the list, that starts to add up to more stagnation for F/O's looking to upgrade and for new hires, well, you'd better get used to being on the bottom, when all the 747 pilots start raining down on you, while we are giving even more manning concessions with pay banding.
R.E. the 'we can mitigate it with increasing the vacation day' theory. No, you can't, unless you also stop allowing guys to pick up more flying in every vacation month.
Make Vacation both pay AND CREDIT, now you've fixed it.
Make the swap board and swap with the pot, subject to the same pickup limits as white slips, that will help mitigate pay banding too.
I have heard from very reliable sources that the Company is very upset with sick leave usage, I.e April and May see significantly higher sick time usage than other months. Not casting dispersion on my former teammates but it isn't a coincidence that the bank gets reloaded in June. They are also looking for a way to mitigate training and pay banding is at the top of the list.
Whatever the outcome I will be rooting for my Bro's from the sidelines
09-25-2014, 07:05 AM
#2295
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Position: 747-400 Captain
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Believe what you want. His salary is based on the highest paid positions at the 5 highest paid ALPA carriers, plus an override of 25%. A very handsome salary, to be sure, but nothing near what the LM-2 shows (I haven't been privy to his W-2). He also gets a pension for the time he serves as ALPA President to compensate him for accruing no retirement funds at his own carrier during that period of time.
The rest of his compensation as shown on the LM-2 reflects the value of his housing in DC, his transportation while there, his lodging while on the road, meal and travel expenses, etc. I believe that any pilot who spends time working for ALPA and is reimbursed for expenses receives a W-2 for those reimbursements.
The rest of his compensation as shown on the LM-2 reflects the value of his housing in DC, his transportation while there, his lodging while on the road, meal and travel expenses, etc. I believe that any pilot who spends time working for ALPA and is reimbursed for expenses receives a W-2 for those reimbursements.
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:06 AM
#2296
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Originally Posted by index
Now that's funny.
You're saying he took one for the team. Lee "sacrificed" himself for the greater good and made nearly $1.3m in compensation in 2012 alone! Thanks Lee!
Duty, honor, ALPA.
Even coming from you sailing this is ludicrous. But at least you're making progress, not a single grammar or spelling mistake. That's quite an accomplishment. Congrats!
You're saying he took one for the team. Lee "sacrificed" himself for the greater good and made nearly $1.3m in compensation in 2012 alone! Thanks Lee!
Duty, honor, ALPA.
Even coming from you sailing this is ludicrous. But at least you're making progress, not a single grammar or spelling mistake. That's quite an accomplishment. Congrats!
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As of August 2014:
$265,841 salary
$16,000 taxable per diem
$178,739 for RSP and vacation cash-out
He's on track to earn in normal earnings:
$398,911 in wages
$24k in taxable perdiem (which isn't income, as we all like to say about our per diem)
Plus his cashed out vacation and RSP
I know a DAL M88 CA who made more than that in 2013 (and still didn't work as hard as the ALPA Pres.)
09-25-2014, 07:08 AM
#2297
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,306
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Delta pilots are NOT the highest cost pilots in the industry sailingfud.
Carl
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:13 AM
#2298
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Originally Posted by gzsg
Then tell us about the current SWA slowdown.
Disclaimer: I only own puts and calls on LUV, but they are ALL in the money, so thanks SWAPA.
09-25-2014, 07:13 AM
#2299
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
I did not know that. Where and when did each of them utter those exact words?
But again, I think it's important for you to keep these tactics up. It educates people on what we're up against here.
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:22 AM
#2300
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,728
Originally Posted by finis72
Timbo, what you are proposing would meet with a significant pushback from a lot of your fellow pilots. One of the things I liked about our contract was the flexibility it offered, if I wanted more pay I could use the system to fly more, or, I could use the system to fly as little as possible. Another point is that the company has a limit to what they are going to pay in C2015, the pie is only so big before the Company says NO. That is an economic reality so the question is how to divide the pie. What you propose would eat up a large portion of the pie and would take money away from a large portion of your fellow pilots. Your proposals are popular but I think they would meet with a lot of pushback. Just my opinion
I have heard from very reliable sources that the Company is very upset with sick leave usage, I.e April and May see significantly higher sick time usage than other months. Not casting dispersion on my former teammates but it isn't a coincidence that the bank gets reloaded in June. They are also looking for a way to mitigate training and pay banding is at the top of the list.
Whatever the outcome I will be rooting for my Bro's from the sidelines
I have heard from very reliable sources that the Company is very upset with sick leave usage, I.e April and May see significantly higher sick time usage than other months. Not casting dispersion on my former teammates but it isn't a coincidence that the bank gets reloaded in June. They are also looking for a way to mitigate training and pay banding is at the top of the list.
Whatever the outcome I will be rooting for my Bro's from the sidelines
"...just took a 40 hour pay cut due to FAR117!!"
(100hrs. in 28 days vs. 120 in 30 days, and he said the extra 20hrs. was always at GS rates, so he took a 40hr. pay cut.)
I've heard the same thing from a few LCA's as well.
The pilots have to decide what they want; work more for more pay, or work less for more pay.
I pick work less.
How? Well, for me, I can't upgrade to a pay raise, so there's not a way, unless I bid reserve and do the rolling thunder thing, and I won't bid reserve, ever. I guess I could do G/S with conflict.
But for the guys down the list, if the entire pilot group worked say, 10% less, then there would have to be 10% more upgrades to higher paying equipment.
So they could 'work less' but in a higher paying seat.
Remember what was scratched in all the 727 dome light covers?
"More Money, More Time Off!"
All these manning concessions we have been giving for the past...30(?) years have led to the stagnation the bottom guys have been seeing. That and age 65 of course.
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