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10-12-2014 | 08:05 AM

#2791

tsquare

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Cute. You make these results sound like some non-biased third-party study, as opposed to your own personal over-simplified checklist.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

10-12-2014 | 08:16 AM

#2792

NWA320pilot

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Originally Posted by tsquare

The hollow threats of "labor peace" are not nearly the leverage he wants you to think it is. We can stomp our feet till the cows return to Capistrano, but we will still go to work until we are allowed to do otherwise.

We can do a lot more than stomp our feet.......

10-12-2014 | 08:18 AM

#2793

tsquare

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

We can do a lot more than stomp our feet.......

for instance?

10-12-2014 | 08:24 AM

#2794

NWA320pilot

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Ask your North brethren, but not on the internet.......

10-12-2014 | 08:25 AM

#2795

tsquare

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

Ask your North brethren, but not on the internet.......

No thanks. I don't want to get sued. I know their tactics and I want no part of that. YMMV. Flame on.

10-12-2014 | 08:52 AM

#2796

NWA320pilot

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Originally Posted by tsquare

No thanks. I don't want to get sued. I know their tactics and I want no part of that. YMMV. Flame on.

That's OK T the rest of us will fight for you.

10-12-2014 | 09:04 AM

#2797

tsquare

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

That's OK T the rest of us will fight for you.

I'm not going to dignify that with retort.

10-12-2014 | 09:05 AM

#2798

DAL 88 Driver

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

That's OK T the rest of us will fight for you.

Ha! I found the following video of a young T. It could explain a lot...

10-12-2014 | 12:05 PM

#2799

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Since 38% comes up quite a bit short of restoring the pay cuts we took in an extreme financial crisis for Delta, I think Carl is being quite reasonable.

I'm willing to be even more reasonable. I'd take 25% on day one, as long as the next 3 or 4 years provided increases large enough to get us close to full restoration of those pay cuts (in terms of buying power) by that point.

I realize your context for this discussion is very limited, Oberon. But the perspective Carl and I are giving is the perspective of someone who has been around this profession quite a bit longer and apparently has a better appreciation for the value of what we do as professional aviators.

So your "appreciation for the value of what we do as professional aviators" is worth what? 25%? Why would the company give you anything based on "appreciation"?

Labor peace is worth something. I'm not sure what exactly, but something. Do you think it's worth 25%? Real numbers would be useful in this conversation.

10-12-2014 | 12:08 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Do you think labor peace alone is worth 38% or are other areas of leverage worth something and labor peace brings us up to 38%? How much do you think labor peace is worth?

I think labor peace plus the rest of the leverage spectrum can achieve this. Not just labor peace alone.

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Does anyone know what our current contract costs? It would be interesting to estimate a cost for certain items. For instance if we think labor peace is worth 10% we could say it is worth $xxx million. I think that would be useful in determining how reasonable one's position is.

The last I saw, our wages and salaries accounted for about 1.5 billion of an overall 2.5 billion dollar contract. A 38% increase in pay on day one would add 570 million in costs to Delta. Very reasonable in my opinion given the role we play and continue to play in achieving our massive profits.

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I'm not picking on you Carl. 38% is pretty specific so you must have put some thought into it. I'm interested in your cost projections. 38% sounds pretty good. How do we get there?

Above represents my thoughts as to the why of 38%. How we get there is to employ the same process DALPA used to stop the DPA. Set the object, develop the strategy, relentlessly employ the tactics.

Carl