Details on Delta TA
09-25-2014, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Timbo, what you are proposing would meet with a significant pushback from a lot of your fellow pilots. One of the things I liked about our contract was the flexibility it offered, if I wanted more pay I could use the system to fly more, or, I could use the system to fly as little as possible. Another point is that the company has a limit to what they are going to pay in C2015, the pie is only so big before the Company says NO. That is an economic reality so the question is how to divide the pie. What you propose would eat up a large portion of the pie and would take money away from a large portion of your fellow pilots. Your proposals are popular but I think they would meet with a lot of pushback. Just my opinion
I have heard from very reliable sources that the Company is very upset with sick leave usage, I.e April and May see significantly higher sick time usage than other months. Not casting dispersion on my former teammates but it isn't a coincidence that the bank gets reloaded in June. They are also looking for a way to mitigate training and pay banding is at the top of the list.
Whatever the outcome I will be rooting for my Bro's from the sidelines
I have heard from very reliable sources that the Company is very upset with sick leave usage, I.e April and May see significantly higher sick time usage than other months. Not casting dispersion on my former teammates but it isn't a coincidence that the bank gets reloaded in June. They are also looking for a way to mitigate training and pay banding is at the top of the list.
Whatever the outcome I will be rooting for my Bro's from the sidelines
If we only worry about accepting what management will say YES to, there's no reason for a union. None whatsoever.
BTW, it's sad to see Retired in your avatar. I hope it's filled with perfect health.
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
I did not know that. Where and when did each of them utter those exact words?
Ed used that exact phrase when addressing the other employee groups and telling them about their new/early pay raises because of it. It was on the Deltanet and the vote wasn't even over when he did it. Immdiately DALPA came out to say how we were getting pay raises so you had to know that it was not cost neutral. Funny how those kind of articles disappear when you go looking for them. Just like I can no longer find SD's June pilot blast where he said that if we would sign off on this contract, 2012, we could be hiring as early as this fall (2012). (Apparently SD did want to hire at that time but was shot down by the BOD)
09-25-2014, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Interesting new tactic here. Even though the articles and links to those articles were posted here many times, you've decided to wait 2.5 years then claim those words were never used. I've told you before I won't spend one second finding posts from 2.5 years ago. Most everyone here remembers the articles and the exact phrase of "cost neutral" used by Richard and Ed to describe TA2012. The DALPA road shows even had to address the cost neutral statement because Richard and Ed made it before the vote had even happened yet.
But again, I think it's important for you to keep these tactics up. It educates people on what we're up against here.
Carl
But again, I think it's important for you to keep these tactics up. It educates people on what we're up against here.
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Carl again reverts to name calling. Seems to be his personality. Please Carl post the total block hour costs for pilots in the US airline industry in 2013.
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Actually Carl, the words were "cost positive" for the company, not "cost neutral".
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Since you have them handy, please show it yourself.
Carl
Carl
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...n%20Charts.pdf
In addition the retirement and benefit package was 55,700 per DAL pilot. UAL was second at 48,200.
09-25-2014, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
There may have been articles that described the TA as cost positive for the company, I actually it's true that our contract actually cost them less. But I don't remember articles using a cost positive phrase. Only cost neutral. Gotta be fair here.
Carl
Carl
" And I’d say the other thing, Kevin, there that we did not necessarily forecast or see coming as clearly is the opportunity we had with our pilots to do the contract early. It’s going to pay significant dividends over time as it will have a big cost return to it, not just in terms of improved productivity, but the ability to fairly substantially restructure the domestic fleet. But that those costs came in right away so that’s in our September guidance as well, and that was another big piece."
09-25-2014, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Now LeineLodge that's no way to talk about Richard and Ed. You DO know that "cost neutral" was the exact words used by Richard and Ed to describe TA2012...right?
Carl
Carl
09-25-2014, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by index
The actual number is $1,278,848.
09-25-2014, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by index
So Alan, you chose to ignore the rest of my post which was entirely about the outrageous insinuation that Lee never really wanted to be ALPA President (then why the hell did he run for it?) and that he only did so "out of a sense of duty"? YGBSM.
Originally Posted by index
Whether the Donald made $1.3m or $1,278,848 is trivial. The point is he is FAR better off than any of the peons (us) he's supposed to represent.
Whether he is personally better off with his 24/7 job vs. flying the line and going home is something that only he can judge.
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