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Old 03-24-2015 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
The FAs have 4:45 per training day AND a 4:45 minimum day. while we have no minimum day at all.

We need 5:15 for both.
I think you need to think bigger...but that's just me...and who am I?
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Old 03-24-2015 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Take a moment to consider why management does not want line pilots to see their opener?

The line pilots would be extremely upset.

By just releasing it they would have reduce their ask half or more.
I agree with your sentiment, but I don't believe I've ever seen Management's Opener, in any contract negotiations, other than our 2004 Bankruptcy Contract, where it had to be disclosed to the Judge.

I know we didn't get to see it in 2012, when they did open for 0% raises.
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Old 03-24-2015 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Take a moment to consider why management does not want line pilots to see their opener?

The line pilots would be extremely upset.

By just releasing it they would have reduce their ask half or more.
Exactly correct. Releasing their opener would allow the line pilots to view a fully accurate picture of the negotiations that DALPA claims they want us fully engaged on. Yet DALPA is choosing to be complicit with management to keep important information from us.

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Old 03-24-2015 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I think you need to think bigger...but that's just me...and who am I?
You mean besides the guy that keeps Timbo blue side up?

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Old 03-24-2015 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You mean besides the guy that keeps Timbo blue side up?

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Somebody's got to do it, and it's both a demanding and thankless job!
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Old 03-24-2015 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I think you need to think bigger...but that's just me...and who am I?
You have my vote!
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Old 03-25-2015 | 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
The FAs have 4:45 per training day AND a 4:45 minimum day. while we have no minimum day at all.

We need 5:15 for both.
What precisely are you referring to. I have flown many a one and two day trip with the same footprint as our FAs, and our 5.15 calendar day average always pays out more than what they get.
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Old 03-25-2015 | 05:51 AM
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He's referring to the fact that we have NO minimum day at all, just an average day. Big difference that won't be apparent on a 1 or 2 day trip. Toss in a 30 hr layover and look at the difference.
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Old 03-25-2015 | 07:52 AM
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We lead the industry in not one single section of our contract. Not one. This comparison shows that we not only don't lead the industry in vacation, but we're nearly last.

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Hmm. I am gonna agree with Carl and I think our negotiators should start every meeting with "We lead the industry in not one single section of the contract. Not one. We are about to fix that." Vaca is an obvious area that needs attention. I'm not concerned with seeing Management's opener. I don't really care. This contract is gonna cost them some $. OFG
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Old 03-25-2015 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I just don't know why you do this Sailingfun. Jerry's post adds JetBlue and that's what you jump on in multiple subsequent posts while ignoring the complete accuracy of the other airlines he lists.

I'll edit JetBlue out of Jerry's list:



We lead the industry in not one single section of our contract. Not one. This comparison shows that we not only don't lead the industry in vacation, but we're nearly last.

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