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01-12-2015 | 11:26 AM

#3201

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The interesting thing is the company has not even hinted at changing profit sharing. This forum is the source for the rumors. If anything the company has stated they believe in profit sharing.

You've no idea what you're talking about sailingfun. You're a line pilot, nothing more. You are as detached from what "the company" is doing as anyone else here. Reduced profit sharing could already be agreed to in principle for all you or any of us here knows. We just don't know.

You'd do your credibility a huge favor if you would stop pretending to be something you're not.

Carl

01-12-2015 | 07:53 PM

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dtfl

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Originally Posted by gzsg

The DPA poll with over 1400 Delta pilots responding showed 98%.wanting to keep.profit sharing or increase it. I'm sure the ALPA survey is within 3%.

We have to wonder why the insiders are quietly setting us up for a reduction at PUB events and in the crew room. IMO RA is leading them and they are.selling us out. The new Strategic Planning Chairman and his vice are.leading the charge.

Will our MEC cave again?

Who, when are where are people setting us up for a reduction in PS? Is it LEC folks? MEC folks? Or just beer talking?
Facts please

01-12-2015 | 08:44 PM

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ImTumbleweed

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Originally Posted by dtfl

Who, when are where are people setting us up for a reduction in PS? Is it LEC folks? MEC folks? Or just beer talking?
Facts please

It's Sun Tzu..."know your enemy..."

The company would be stupid if they don't try to reduce profit sharing as part of contract 2015. That is a TON of money the company would prefer to give to shareholders rather than give to pilots.

What is scaring us average line pilots are the "trial balloons" being floated by the union supporters about "monetizing" profit sharing and calling it a "pay increase".

Based on these " trail ballons" from the union there is no doubt in my mind the company negotiators have said they will reduce profit sharing as part of contract 2015 and the union is going to accept it and all it " monetizing".

I hope I'm wrong, but not optomistic.

01-12-2015 | 10:32 PM

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sailingfun

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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed

Funny, the entire concept on the profit sharing reduction has been floated by the DPA supporters. Haven't heard Dalpa say a word about it.

01-13-2015 | 03:01 AM

#3205

Purple Drank

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Funny, the entire concept on the profit sharing reduction has been floated by the DPA supporters. Haven't heard Dalpa say a word about it.

then you haven't been paying attention. Or perhaps you are in a state of denial. Or maybe you have an agenda contrary to that of Delta line pilots' best interests. What exactly is you agenda?

01-13-2015 | 04:29 AM

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Oberon

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

then you haven't been paying attention. Or perhaps you are in a state of denial. Or maybe you have an agenda contrary to that of Delta line pilots' best interests. What exactly is you agenda?

You could have posted a source but you chose to attempt to discredit sailingfun. That doesn't help your credibility. Who, exactly, is pushing reducing or ending profit sharing? It's a very straight forward question. If you had a reasonable answer I'd be inclined to support what you are saying since I, like most Delta pilots, likes profit sharing and don't want to see it go.

It appears to me that gzsg is the source of "the company wants to end profit sharing" and the echo chamber has picked it up as fact. Maybe that's not the case but there isn't any evidence on this thread that suggests "the company wants to end profit sharing" isn't pure speculation.

Somebody please add more to the conversation than insults and speculation.

01-13-2015 | 05:23 AM

#3207

Splash

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

then you haven't been paying attention. Or perhaps you are in a state of denial. Or maybe you have an agenda contrary to that of Delta line pilots' best interests. What exactly is you agenda?

I don't have an agenda, and I haven't seen anything from DALPA about this. Do you have a link or a source I can read? Thanks!

01-13-2015 | 05:24 AM

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Schwanker

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Profit Sharing (at current levels) is in our contract. It can't be taken away, only negotiated away. It would be very foolish to reduce it in any form, especially the 20% above 2.5B as this is where we'll see some very significant returns if profits continue to grow.

Very rough mental math (less accurate than napkin math but gives an idea) based on each 1B above 2.5B = 6% PS (In 2012 6% per Billion was thrown out as a rough approx for PS above 2.5B)

2.5B = 8%
4B = 17%
5B = 23%
6B = 29%
7B = 35%
8B = 41%

Now if DALPA gives this away, I'll join the DPA effort in a heartbeat. They are there to take care of the membership, not the company.

01-13-2015 | 05:28 AM

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sailingfun

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

then you haven't been paying attention. Or perhaps you are in a state of denial. Or maybe you have an agenda contrary to that of Delta line pilots' best interests. What exactly is you agenda?

The best possible contract for the Delta pilots. What is yours when your not busy making comment about posters wives. Thought maybe the arbitrators would ban you again after your classless posts in the Alaska thread.

01-13-2015 | 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Funny, the entire concept on the profit sharing reduction has been floated by the DPA supporters. Haven't heard Dalpa say a word about it.

Did we hear a word about it in C2012 prior to the TA being presented to the pilot group for MEMRAT?

You can't expect pilots to at least be somewhat leery of what we'll be asked to give up in C2015 given DALPA's support of funding a contractual raise through a reduction in profit sharing and/or the line of logics that requires the group to surrender something for a menial gain.

From this line guy's perspective...ANY reduction in profit sharing is a no go item for me. Won't even need to look at pay raises. Negotiating away profit sharing at a time when the company is making record profits defeats the very purpose of us negotiating profit sharing into the contract. Profit sharing was the incentivized carrot used to rally this companys' employees together to bring it back from the brink of insolvency.