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Originally Posted by dalad
(Post 1721119)
As long as there are pilots, there will be loopholes. I fly OOB WS's as part of my schedule, no more than 2 per month.
Makes sense to me. I understand why you like OOBWS, and I have no problem with it. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1721171)
Bingo!!!!!
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots. No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks. OOBWS ? No thanks. Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!! Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is. Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1721171)
Bingo!!!!!
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots. No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks. OOBWS ? No thanks. Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!! Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is. Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat. Scoop Carl |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1721174)
Makes sense to me. I understand why you like OOBWS, and I have no problem with it.
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise. Denny Edit: OOBWS------Out of Base White Slip OOBS--------Out of Base Swap |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1721208)
The OOBWS nose is already under the tent and I can kinda see why....The only problem I have with it is regular line guys who commute to another base (who cannot hold a regular line in the base they are OOBWSing to) and regularly drop their trips for the month then pick up trips where they live but cannot hold a regular(or possibly even reserve) line there. Sorry, I'm just not for this kind of schedule manipulation. If one wants to fly trips in a different base, bid that base.
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise. I feel strongly that a base's flying belongs to the base, and is on loan to the pilot that rightfully bids it. If he doesn't fly it, for whatever reason, it belongs in open time. The company has already mechanisms, including OOBWS and DH for Reserves, to get around that, for a net negative staffing impact. I think you and I strongly agree that we don't need to give them any more tools to reduce staffing. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1721146)
Will oobs result in fewer pilots needed? Yes.
End of discussion. TEN |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1721114)
Thx Carl. Off the top of my head, the only thing I can think of is...it will cause guys/gals to pick up trips they might not have to exceed that 80 hour threshold thereby removing some trips that may have gone out at 2X pay.
I think the current overtime/green slip system favors pilots who bid reserve (This is because of 117.). I think a 1.5X over 80 would favor the regular line bidder and, IMO, it will probably cut down on the number of green slips awarded. Not saying either is better just that this is the way I see it based on my experience this year under 117. Denny 1.5 over 80 would incentivize guys picking up more time (less people required) vs going to the GS trigger and GSing for 200%. The latter is far more credit for less flying (more money more time off). |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1721171)
Bingo!!!!!
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots. No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks. OOBWS ? No thanks. Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!! Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is. Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1721042)
It's not too far-fetched. The flight attendants have been doing it for years.
The Portland mafia was incredibly efficient at harvesting trips until management cracked down on them. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1721208)
The OOBWS nose is already under the tent and I can kinda see why....The only problem I have with it is regular line guys who commute to another base (who cannot hold a regular line in the base they are OOBWSing to) and regularly drop their trips for the month then pick up trips where they live but cannot hold a regular(or possibly even reserve) line there. Sorry, I'm just not for this kind of schedule manipulation. If one wants to fly trips in a different base, bid that base.
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise. Denny Edit: OOBWS------Out of Base White Slip OOBS--------Out of Base Swap That doesn't necessarily say I think Ts idea of regional reserve coverage should un-cap reserve days in another base. I think for the once every 6 months I get bit by capped reserve days swap denial, it would really screw reserve guys and line holders QOL overall. |
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