I'm learning the contract. I read here which actually has a bit of good information from time-to-time. I ask questions to the guys I fly with and my mentor. I had one question about the multipurpose bank that required an email exchange with the contract committee who was super helpful. I'm certainly no expert and don't claim to be.

I don't think I need to be an expert on the contract to opine that saying "restoration" isn't a useful tactic, strategy, or whatever those espousing it choose to call it. I have been through a section 6 negotiation recently and frequently spoke with the negotiators and reps. The name of the game is maintaining an appearance of negotiating in good faith. If you are too rigid the mediator will take the other side. There were several time at my last company when the company tried to stonewall and the mediator called them on it. It was a different situation at a different company but the RLA covers everyone and the mediator is going to drive the process. Rallying the troupes with "restoration" sounds great, it really does, but right now it does nothing to improve our contract. That said, I could see using rhetoric to rally the pilots down the line if the company is stalling and the MEC wants a strike vote. That's a different situation than "setting restoration as an objective".

For what it's worth, I don't think setting an objective is a bad thing. Certainly the negotiators will set an objective and draw up a strategy that determines what the opener will be. Hopefully they'll do that after tabulating the survey, attending road shows, and doing due diligence on the negotiating environment. I'd also like to be kept in the loop on the progress of negotiations so I can plan accordingly.

There is no C2015 proposal at this point, we don't even exchange openers until...?

Next April 5 I think, and I seriously doubt DALPA will show us their opener, other than the 'conceptual' version. :rolleyes:

What irritates some here Oberon is, you never lost anything in Delta's bankrutpcy, so YOU have no dog in the Restoration fight.

Yeah, take C12 and add 4,8,3,3 to it...

What's GGTA?

I don't see anyone talking about reducing recurrent training, or compromising training as a whole in any way. All I've seen is a discussion of pay banding, e.g., paying all narrowbodies the same rate, which would presumably take away some incentive to move between aircraft in a band.

If anything, I believe that our training syllabi need to be beefed up.

I'd be down with that if you could also triple my profit sharing at the same time. :cool:

I'll have what Richard's having...:rolleyes:

(he got a 42% 'raise' last year, with his stock options)

That sounds good on the surface. But you'd really want that much of your pay "at risk?" And besides that, even if you tripled profit sharing it STILL wouldn't make up that much of the difference for the effective 34% pay cut in buying power we're currently experiencing.

While I certainly agree that longer freezes would be a concession, I'm not sure that I've read him post anything about that. Before you (and whoever else you're referring to) "put him down" for that, could I trouble you to point out the post in which he did?

Same request. Please show us all the post in which I stated anything positive about longer freezes. In fact, I agreed with your original response to me on the subject by saying that longer freezes are neither appropriate nor desired.

Fixed your post for you, btw.

Apparently, you are the only guy on the property who cannot read and comprehend the English language. Please lay off whatever is in that purple can of yours long enough to reread my posts, take them for what they are (one pilot's opinion), and stop putting words in my mouth!!

I agree that it would put much more of my pay at risk, but I'm willing to take that risk if it gets me back to C2K plus inflation whenever Delta is making the kind of profits it made leading up to C2K.

That said, I've not thoroughly run the numbers on this. Are you saying that with C2K profit margins, which is where we are apparently projected to be this year with a $4B PTIX, tripling our anticipated profit sharing won't get us full restoration?