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09-25-2014 | 10:15 AM
#2331
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First of all the reserve concessions we gave up were very significant for both long call and all day one assignments for both reserve QOL and manning. We paid a steep price in work rules we'll never get back for that ADG.
Second, I don't say very much if anything about Moak, other than criticizing him for his obviously fake "I have no intention to run for office at this time" 10 minutes before he ran, and his potential offering up of the DAL pilot seniority list in any possible merger with a young/start up/low longevity airline to estoll the virtues of universal ALPA membership. As well as him signing the unprecidented Pinnacle agreement and secret "vault letter" nonsense that for the first time gave another pilot group the legal ability to negotiate with DL management to "own" DL flying. That is entirely unacceptable.
Other than that, I'm not "anti-Moak" (5 figure oil paintings notwithstanding) critic nor have I advocated the other potential union. I actually think he does a fairly good job on "the hill" with many issues, which is a good thing. And his hair always looks fantastic. Besides he's going away anyway soon regardless. Nor have I condemned the other potential union, though they have their issues as well to be sure. I'm very much in favor of change within up until the moment we actually, legally have another union, if ever, and do not have a card in for the other guys either. Yet.
I have concerns with ALPA, as I would have concerns with any union. But ALPA is what we have.
The ADG increase was a gain for sure. We paid a lot for it though.
5 more weeks to go I guess.
Second, I don't say very much if anything about Moak, other than criticizing him for his obviously fake "I have no intention to run for office at this time" 10 minutes before he ran, and his potential offering up of the DAL pilot seniority list in any possible merger with a young/start up/low longevity airline to estoll the virtues of universal ALPA membership. As well as him signing the unprecidented Pinnacle agreement and secret "vault letter" nonsense that for the first time gave another pilot group the legal ability to negotiate with DL management to "own" DL flying. That is entirely unacceptable.
Other than that, I'm not "anti-Moak" (5 figure oil paintings notwithstanding) critic nor have I advocated the other potential union. I actually think he does a fairly good job on "the hill" with many issues, which is a good thing. And his hair always looks fantastic. Besides he's going away anyway soon regardless. Nor have I condemned the other potential union, though they have their issues as well to be sure. I'm very much in favor of change within up until the moment we actually, legally have another union, if ever, and do not have a card in for the other guys either. Yet.
I have concerns with ALPA, as I would have concerns with any union. But ALPA is what we have.
The ADG increase was a gain for sure. We paid a lot for it though.
5 more weeks to go I guess.
Can you please expand on what we paid for it? I have to agree with Herkflyr - the 5+15 ADG will be huge - it does not seem to me that we paid a lot - maybe I am missing something.
Thanks
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09-25-2014 | 10:39 AM
#2333
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RA "only got" $652,083 in salary during that same timeframe (2012). I don't know how he got by. Sounds kinda meager, huh. Until you consider his TOTAL COMPENSATION which included $2.7m in CASH (not salary, but money nonetheless), $7m in stock, plus another $2m in stock options. Total package almost $12.6m, up a staggering 42% from the year prior where he "only made" $8.9m.
Everybody knows nobody could EVER get a 42% RAISE, in one fell swoop!!
Just ask anyone at Dalpa!
Richard's getting paid, no doubt, remind me again, how much was his pay cut in 2004 to Save Delta?
And does he still have a retirement plan??
09-25-2014 | 11:05 AM
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Don't mean to return your stubbornness with more stubbornness Alan, but no accountant and no IRS person would agree with the case you're trying to make. Lee's compensation was just under 1.3 million dollars. Exactly as Index said.
Carl
09-25-2014 | 11:15 AM
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Yes it is brother Alan. You're the first to assert (2.5 years after the fact) that "cost neutral" was never uttered.
I have never drug out a quote that did not use those words. I've only posted the actual quotes and the links to where those quotes came from over 2 years ago. You're now attempting to say it never happened because I won't oblige you by finding those old posts. Knock yourself out if you think you're helping your cause. Reality is that too many people remember it and you're only damaging your credibility.
See above. Your new tactic hasn't debunked anything. You can't erase history by baiting others to dig up the old articles.
You've been baiting me and others to prove it to you by finding the articles for weeks now. It won't work Alan, but I know you'll press on. In fact, I'm counting on it.
Carl
Carl
09-25-2014 | 11:19 AM
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Here we go again for at least the tenth time. The quarterly and annual reports do not show Pilot COSTS. They show WAGES AND SALARIES. Do you know the difference? If so, please explain the difference between pilot wages/salaries and pilot costs.
Carl
09-25-2014 | 11:31 AM
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Wages and salaries make up around 70% of the total cost for most companies in private industry, the remaining 30% of the cost of an employee group is in insurance etc.
09-25-2014 | 12:39 PM
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Wages and salaries are up. Retirement expenses are up even more with the 1% increase and funding needs for the NWA plan. Productivity is about the same as verified by block hours per pilot and total system hours verses pilots hired.
So where is this almost half a billion dollars per year they are saving with contract 2012? What is it and where can I find it in the reports?
09-25-2014 | 12:41 PM
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Ford and Harrison called. They want their playbook back. Oh wait, it's on loan to DALPA through C2015. Nevermind.
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