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09-25-2014 | 02:16 PM
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Since you're really struggling with an analogy as the one you're trying to use is collapsing around you, allow me to throw you a lifeline. The correct analogy would be Delta paying for the housing, car and meals of a commuting pilot before and after the trip. If Delta did that, the IRS would rightly consider that income. Why? Because paying for commuting expenses allows you to keep more of your salary.
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09-25-2014 | 02:30 PM
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"Limited" upside? Are you kidding me? Tbe ADG (applicable to reserves and dh-only duty periods, both firsts in the history of our airline) is probably one of the best two or three contractual improvements EVER, and guys like you are just "meh."
Unbelievable. I don't care if it took a few months to program the company computers. All changes have an implementation schedule, including changes in the company's favor.
(Ask an old guy about getting rid of partial month moveups for reserves in C2K; those were a great scheduling deal that we voluntarily negotiated away in C2K; it was a big "win" for the company but it still took a year to get them programmed out of the company computers--see, it goes both ways.)
The ADG is now in our contract forever. Within a year the entire seniority list will be wondering how we ever allowed the pilot group NOT to have it--you know, kind of like how back in the pre-117 and pre-121/Whitlow days you could be on perpetual short call 24/7. It was accepted as "part of the job" back in the good ol' days, but is inconceivable now.
Your groupthink Moak and ALPA hatefest on this thread is leading you to dismiss significant changes. After all, if you actually acknowledge the huge gain the ADG represents, that interferes with the "ALPA sucks" mindset that let's face it, is kind of fun to embrace.
Unbelievable. I don't care if it took a few months to program the company computers. All changes have an implementation schedule, including changes in the company's favor.
(Ask an old guy about getting rid of partial month moveups for reserves in C2K; those were a great scheduling deal that we voluntarily negotiated away in C2K; it was a big "win" for the company but it still took a year to get them programmed out of the company computers--see, it goes both ways.)
The ADG is now in our contract forever. Within a year the entire seniority list will be wondering how we ever allowed the pilot group NOT to have it--you know, kind of like how back in the pre-117 and pre-121/Whitlow days you could be on perpetual short call 24/7. It was accepted as "part of the job" back in the good ol' days, but is inconceivable now.
Your groupthink Moak and ALPA hatefest on this thread is leading you to dismiss significant changes. After all, if you actually acknowledge the huge gain the ADG represents, that interferes with the "ALPA sucks" mindset that let's face it, is kind of fun to embrace.
Regarding something in our contract being "in our contract forever", you may want to revise that remark. Anything can be removed either voluntarily or by force of a BK judge. More importantly however is that your union can effectively remove it by not defending the language. Would you like a few examples of that?
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09-25-2014 | 02:33 PM
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09-25-2014 | 02:51 PM
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The correct analogy would be Delta paying for the housing, car and meals of a commuting pilot before and after the trip. If Delta did that, the IRS would rightly consider that income. Why? Because paying for commuting expenses allows you to keep more of your salary.
Was that considered income?
09-25-2014 | 02:59 PM
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09-25-2014 | 03:05 PM
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Ok Carl, humor me a bit after all I am a bit slow. You call me names all the time so I know you understand that.
Wages and salaries are up. Retirement expenses are up even more with the 1% increase and funding needs for the NWA plan. Productivity is about the same as verified by block hours per pilot and total system hours verses pilots hired.
So where is this almost half a billion dollars per year they are saving with contract 2012? What is it and where can I find it in the reports?
Wages and salaries are up. Retirement expenses are up even more with the 1% increase and funding needs for the NWA plan. Productivity is about the same as verified by block hours per pilot and total system hours verses pilots hired.
So where is this almost half a billion dollars per year they are saving with contract 2012? What is it and where can I find it in the reports?
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09-25-2014 | 03:12 PM
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09-25-2014 | 03:17 PM
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As I understand it, ALPA reimburses any pilot who does not live in the location at which he is working for the cost of his accommodations. This ranges anywhere from a hotel room at an MEC meeting, to the apartment in ATL in which the MEC Chairman stays when he is in the office, to the apartment in DC in which the ALPA President stays while he is at work.
Some amount of this is considered taxable income by the IRS, although I have no idea how much. That's not the same thing as saying that it's spendable income, any more than the hotel, transportation, and per diem that Delta provides us on a layover or while in training.
Some amount of this is considered taxable income by the IRS, although I have no idea how much. That's not the same thing as saying that it's spendable income, any more than the hotel, transportation, and per diem that Delta provides us on a layover or while in training.
Your effort at saving face is valiant Alan, but your structure ain't lookin too good.
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09-25-2014 | 03:22 PM
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That would be ok if I had 30 years to go, but most of us don't have time for Baby Steps. We've had 10 years of baby steps, and we are nowhere near what we had 10 years ago.
We are making BILLIONS PER QUARTER for Delta, it's payback time...NOW, not 10 years from now.
So, to recap:
1. DALPA has no goals, and won't even mention Restoration in our lifetime.
2. Because they have no defined goals, they have no strategy for achieving anything, other than baby steps.
3. According to Alfa, marching in uniform and informational picketing is so old school, it'll never work now because......
4. Labor Risk has been taken off the table
5. Our contracts are mature
OK, any questions?
Just hurry up and sign up for the next 3% COLA contract with the bankruptcy pay rates in force for the rest of our careers.
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