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09-25-2014 | 03:48 PM

#2361

Herkflyr

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You can't possibly say this yet Herkflyr. None of us has any idea how the company might build rotations to mitigate ADG 5:15. It could be a big deal, and it could be a big nothing. We won't know until after implementation.

Regarding something in our contract being "in our contract forever", you may want to revise that remark. Anything can be removed either voluntarily or by force of a BK judge. More importantly however is that your union can effectively remove it by not defending the language. Would you like a few examples of that?

Carl

Well you have a good point, actually. "Forever" is a long time. Let me rephrase by saying that we worked very hard to get the ADG, and it would take quite a catastrophe to prod us to concede it away.

I will be curious as to the trip mix beginning November. I acknowledge that nothing comes for free, and it will not be the case that we will see unchanged bid packages, and miraculously all trips pay more for the same block time. However, overall I feel it is a great positive step, more than many of us realize. The provisions for dh-only duty periods, no carve out other than 0000-0200, and the full value applying to reserves are great gains.

09-25-2014 | 03:51 PM

#2362

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by orvil

My question for you is how long did it take you to build such robust bank (2,200 hours)? If we started this right now, are they going to place a lump sum in an account for the over 50 age group pilots? Or, are we starting with 60 hours?

I don't remember how many years it took. We had a rapid accrual clause that quickly brought you back up to your previous level when you called in sick. I just called in sick anytime I was sick, and that was my balance at one point.

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Second point, if we go into bankruptcy again, is there anything to stop the Company from cancelling your 2,200 hour bank? My guess is the judge will sign that little account away in a heartbeat.

That didn't happen during the NWA bankruptcy. That is a point I hadn't considered though.

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Originally Posted by orvil

Because of this, I think that you are wrong about using your sick leave as short term or long term disability plan. DALPA spent a considerable amount of negotiating capital in the bankruptcy process to protect and secure the D&S plan from corporate raiding.

We kept ours too and I actually don't even think it was threatened.

Carl

09-25-2014 | 03:54 PM

#2363

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Hillbilly

Nah. I did it in my head.

OK then. That's some pretty good cipherin and gazinder-in.

Carl

09-25-2014 | 04:00 PM

#2364

scambo1

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

We'll never get to the 3% raises on C2012 because something else big is coming.

Don't you remember?

Good point, I almost forgot about that.

09-25-2014 | 04:11 PM

#2365

Timbo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

We'll never get to the 3% raises on C2012 because something else big is coming.

Don't you remember?

That's right! I almost forgot!

Now, I just hope someone from Alaska can train me on how to fly into...

Juno!

09-25-2014 | 04:15 PM

#2366

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

For example, when Delta pays for a pilot's hotel when he is training at his base?

You're really reaching now Lee...I mean Alan.

If the ATL based pilot is a commuter, then yes it should be considered as income because the pilot is choosing to live out of the training base, just as Lee is choosing to live outside of his work base. If this were pushed by someone at the IRS, it would be considered income.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Or when NWA used to provide positive space travel for commuting instructors to NATCO and give them hotels during stretches of sim periods?

If memory serves, this issue was starting to arise right when NATCO was closing. There was real concern about having it considered income. Might be why Delta has stopped that practice.

Your structure still looks bad Alan. In fact...nobody move. Don't even breath.

Carl

09-25-2014 | 04:19 PM

#2367

tsquare

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All hail Carl!

He knows everything.

09-25-2014 | 04:22 PM

#2368

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

We'll never get to the 3% raises on C2012 because something else big is coming.

Don't you remember?

I do remember that. I also remember the usual suspects here saying that we shouldn't worry too much about those last two 3% raises because we'll be back at the table well before then and we'll get another bite at the pay apple.

Don't know about you, but that apple looks unscathed.