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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1879422)
Several posters have repeatedly suggested that DALPA caved on the implementation schedule in C2012 and that the company always gets their benefit while we always have to wait. This is simply not true.
You are supporting this argument so I asked you to supply some examples which you have still yet to do. The document you are referring to is MOU #9 Deferred Implementation. I don't know how to attach a pdf here so anyone interested will have to go use the search bar at dal.alpa.org if they want to see it for themselves. In addition to what shiz posted above, Negotiator's Notepad 12-12 includes the following. Apologies for the format: |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 1879491)
Thanks for the informative post. This is the first time I've seen (parts of) just what happened in C2012. It is enlightening to understand what occurred in a contract that was crafted and approved when Delta was NOT in an era of eye-watering record profits. Is there a place to see ALL of the deltas between old and new in C2012, to include pay? Hundreds of new voters weren't here last time...
Welcome to Delta! It's a great time to be here. You can find all the old Negotiator's Notepads (which is where the previous post came from) on the DALPA website. Here is a link to the NN's from 2012. I believe you will have to be logged in to see anything: https://dal.alpa.org/mLibrary/EntryId/7411 I'm not sure if the old pay tables are still available, but you can get a pretty good estimate of the 2011 payrates by reducing our current rates by ~20% (19.7% compounded increases from C2012 plus the half percent we just received from 3.B.4). |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1879411)
Nope, still incorrect... but go ahead and keep repeating that to yourself. It's your credibility with facts, not mine.
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Today Delta announced a $6 BILLION dollar return to the shareholders by the end of 2017. As usual it will be completed sooner.
IMO DALPA will let this pass without a word. I mean why take the opportunnity to congratulate them and also mention the Delta pilots are still working under bankruptcy concessions and need an 18% hourly rate increase to hit numbers that are over 11 years old without accounting for inflation. I attended the Communications Training School at ALPA National and I can tell you it doesn't get any better that this for a talking point to educate the shareholders, fellow employees and management. Making a public statement rallies the pilots and unifies the group. IMO we will hear nothing but silence. Silence is consent. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1879411)
Nope, still incorrect... but go ahead and keep repeating that to yourself. It's your credibility with facts, not mine.
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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1879518)
Today Delta announced a $6 BILLION dollar return to the shareholders by the end of 2017. As usual it will be completed sooner.
IMO DALPA will let this pass without a word. I mean why take the opportunnity to congratulate them and also mention the Delta pilots are still working under bankruptcy concessions and need an 18% hourly rate increase to hit numbers that are over 11 years old without accounting for inflation. I attended the Communications Training School at ALPA National and I can tell you it doesn't get any better that this for a talking point to educate the shareholders, fellow employees and management. Making a public statement rallies the pilots and unifies the group. IMO we will hear nothing but silence. Silence is consent. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1879518)
Today Delta announced a $6 BILLION dollar return to the shareholders by the end of 2017. As usual it will be completed sooner.
IMO DALPA will let this pass without a word. I mean why take the opportunnity to congratulate them and also mention the Delta pilots are still working under bankruptcy concessions and need an 18% hourly rate increase to hit numbers that are over 11 years old without accounting for inflation. I attended the Communications Training School at ALPA National and I can tell you it doesn't get any better that this for a talking point to educate the shareholders, fellow employees and management. Making a public statement rallies the pilots and unifies the group. IMO we will hear nothing but silence. Silence is consent. PRESS RELEASE DALPA would like to take this opportunity to congratulate everyone at Delta Air Lines on the outstanding job they have done to make this day possible. Today Delta announced a $6 BILLION dollar return to the shareholders by the end of 2017 and a 50% increase in the stock dividend. DALPA would like to remind everyone that this day wouldn't be possible without the sacrifice of the Delta pilot and their families. The consummate professional, the Delta pilot is working under pay rates that are still 18% under their pay rates of 2004. The Delta pilot contributed to this day by the continuing sacrifice of their pensions, work rules and pay rates for the last 10 years. It's time to return capital to the Delta pilot. It's not that difficult. I didn't attend communications school, but I do have a laptop. |
The company is doing 5 Billion in buybacks......
There is zero need for any relief/givebacks/concessions from us. |
$20 BILLION of "free cash flow" over the next 3 years...or $6.67 BILLION profit per year
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My first thought with this press release was that we already must have a deal or at least a mostly done deal. Why would the company release this buyback news during negotiations? I can only imagine if this happened during C2K! Oh my how times have changed!!
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