BenderRodriguez

Wake up yourself. It's a different environment. They won't completely die, but why waste money on it? Again, if that at the group wants, fine, but it is a complete waste of capital.

gzsg

Guilty

I freely admit I am against concessions (or any other cleaver thing you name them to hide the fact they are concessions) in this environment.

I think we never should have given this flying away, but we did. Now we are going to give away more?

You are wrong about my unity goal. I want unity. With just a touch of leadership we would have unity.

What we have is RH screaming at reps, attempting to bring them to submission. That is unacceptable. Maybe I'm the only one offended and disapponted. That's fine.

If RA was the MEC chairman he would have stated specific goals and we would be 100% unified.

Our survey is useless. It would be completely different today. The American pilots hourly rates far exceed ours and their $1.4 billion dollar Q1 profit was after the survey.

Now the dark side is saying the economy is going to fall off a cliff in 18 months. Really??

Who's side are they on? Not ours.

Puppets who repeat everything management feels them. Roll our the black swans.

All the C2012 boogie men are gone and yet here we are making concessions.

Selling us out for the min is bad for the Delta pilots and much worse for management.

Horrible for ALPA.

Purple Drank

Bravo, tsquare. Just when we thought your nonsense couldn't get any more ludicrous, you prove us wrong. Arguing to keep 76 seaters outsourced.


What if next year, RA invents a Mr. Fusion that allows jet engines to run on garbage. Or in a few years, the FAA approves remote-controlled single pilot ops...for aircraft with 76 seats or less. Or maybe it's something less revolutionary that completely changes the RJ equation. Let's shut down outsourcing now. And if we can't let's not cede any further large RJs, for crying in your moonshine.

One suffering from a lack of creative thought and debilitating risk aversion such as yourself, finds himself at a tremendous intellectual disadvantage against...well, pretty much everyone. But especially against a chess player like RA.

gloopy

Holding the line costs zero capital. Unless we're dumb enough to value in pre-made concessions or fall for the "bargaining credit" nonsense of selling jobs to management. They have all the small DC-9 sized RJ's we should ever give them. If anything we should start sunsetting what they do have.

forgot to bid

So bargaining credit means I give up scope and use the money I made there to buy something elsewhere? Isn't that cost neutral?

gloopy

LOL yeah it would, if management would ever even give us 100% of the value of it in the first place. Obviously that never happens with concessions, so we'd be lucky to get 50, maybe 60% of the value of it. So its still cost negative for us. However depending on how you allocate the "gains" from selling something for less than its worth, some can claim they got more money from it especially if they feel it doesn't directly effect them.

Yes, its literally that stupid when its said out loud, and I really hope we're not about to fall for it.

Check Essential

We ALWAYS relax scope.
Every agreement for the last ten years has had scope concessions.
This one will be no different.

We'll probably get hit on the bottom with more 76 seaters and the top when the AF/KLM grievance magically goes away.

BenderRodriguez

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. There is no TA, there are no concessions. yet. Hopefully there won't be It is in the made up world that you and PD live in.

BenderRodriguez

blah blah blah. Come back when you have something worthwhile to say without all your little overused boiler plate quips.

BenderRodriguez

Bravo! Buying it down, however is very expensive.