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#4901
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Forcing 76 seaters to sunset may not come super cheap, but we should have no problem sunsetting at lease some 50's and increasing the mainline block ratio to at least near current levels. Even 76 seaters should be capped in a check valve style choke point. If they operate less for 6 months, that becomes the new limit, etc.
Same with the AS code share abuse. In fact, not doing so puts DL in a position of perpetual weakness by telling AS management that DL management places a high value on keeping the option open. Better for everyone if they slam the door shut permanently (at least to current levels). SEA is a hub, period. And the AF/KLM issue needs to be settled in a way that increases our share of flying in that and every other JV with strict penalties for non compliance since for half a decade they've shown no desire to honor their agreement without a strong penalty.
Same with the AS code share abuse. In fact, not doing so puts DL in a position of perpetual weakness by telling AS management that DL management places a high value on keeping the option open. Better for everyone if they slam the door shut permanently (at least to current levels). SEA is a hub, period. And the AF/KLM issue needs to be settled in a way that increases our share of flying in that and every other JV with strict penalties for non compliance since for half a decade they've shown no desire to honor their agreement without a strong penalty.
#4903
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I absolutely disagree with any notion we can function in this world solo. But I don't like that our JV partners always seem to need lots of big metal. And IMO DAL seems content to resell tickets. Eventually if we don't have the metal aren't we marginalized or expendable to the JV? Which puts us... solo. Hmm. UAL and AAL have better Intl venture partners than DAL IMO and it seems to be working to the "metal" benefit of all. I'm concerned about that. A lot. OFG
#4904
Forcing 76 seaters to sunset...? when they are just getting them? Definitely wouldn't be cheap. How would that even happen unless DAL bought the 76 seat operators? No need to even discuss 50 seat as I'm pretty sure they are self destructing. Mgmt may want more 76 seat flexibility to help the RJ operators as the 50s go away, but that is too bad.
#4905
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There's PLENTY (hundreds) more 76 seaters that have been in service for a long time and some are always coming up on contract expiration. Don't inject unnecessary hyperbole into this.
#4906
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SEA is now a hub for us.
Its also AS largest hub and corporate headquarters. Its certainly seems convoluted trying to limit each others operations in any agreement.
AF/KLM I agree it needs fixing. But I also doubt the non compliance has cost us the bazillion jobs some think. Nevertheless, I expect a penalty and better future enforcement.
I absolutely disagree with any notion we can function in this world solo.
But I don't like that our JV partners always seem to need lots of big metal. And IMO DAL seems content to resell tickets. Eventually if we don't have the metal aren't we marginalized or expendable to the JV? Which puts us... solo. Hmm. UAL and AAL have better Intl venture partners than DAL IMO and it seems to be working to the "metal" benefit of all. I'm concerned about that. A lot. OFG
#4907
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It isn't even disputed by the company that they are out of compliance. There is an open grievance right now because of it, and all parties admit 100% that there is a lack of compliance. This isn't even up for debate. You should know this.
#4908
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Yeah, I do know that, but I was wondering if you had any references for it other than just forum hyperbole. The only thing I have on it is the Scope analysis PP slides frot he May MEC meeting and it is a little vague. Things on here tend to get blown out of proportion. Hard to believe, I know.
#4910
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PWA Scope
From Section 1 SCOPE of the PWA dated January 23rd, 2015
B. Definitions
B. Definitions
6. “Alaska hub” means SEA, ANC, LAX and any other airport having a monthly average of at least 100 Alaska scheduled flight departures per day.
23. “Delta hub” means ATL, CVG, DTW, JFK, LAX, LGA, MEM, MSP, SLC, and any other airport having a monthly average of at least 100 Delta scheduled flight departures per day.
23. “Delta hub” means ATL, CVG, DTW, JFK, LAX, LGA, MEM, MSP, SLC, and any other airport having a monthly average of at least 100 Delta scheduled flight departures per day.
Exception: SEA is not a Delta hub, regardless of the number of scheduled flight departures.
O. Permitted Arrangements Pursuant to the Alaska Marketing Agreement 2. The DL code will not be placed on AS flight segments between Delta hubs whether or not a Delta hub is also an Alaska hub.
3. The DL code will not be placed on AS flight segments to or from a Delta hub.
Exception one: The DL code may be placed on AS flight segments to or from LAX, subject to Section 1 O. 2. Any such flight segments between LAX and an Alaska hub will be included in the calculations in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two.
5. With respect to flight segments of AS in a city pair, no more than:
Unchanged or without a phaseout of the Alaska Marketing Agreement I am a no vote. The Captain seat vacancies on the west coast have created movement across the entire system and we haven't even taken delivery of an A350 or new A330s.Exception one: The DL code may be placed on AS flight segments to or from LAX, subject to Section 1 O. 2. Any such flight segments between LAX and an Alaska hub will be included in the calculations in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two.
5. With respect to flight segments of AS in a city pair, no more than:
a. the following percentage of monthly passenger seats may be occupied by passengers traveling under the DL code:
- 1) 50% for flights between SEA and either MSP or ATL, and
- 2) 35% for flights in all other city pairs, or
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