Details on Delta TA
05-26-2015, 10:18 PM
#4891
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
We ALWAYS relax scope.
Every agreement for the last ten years has had scope concessions.
This one will be no different.
We'll probably get hit on the bottom with more 76 seaters and the top when the AF/KLM grievance magically goes away.
Every agreement for the last ten years has had scope concessions.
This one will be no different.
We'll probably get hit on the bottom with more 76 seaters and the top when the AF/KLM grievance magically goes away.
Yep,
Every contract we agree on Scope. But often before the Scope agreement is actually limiting we acquiesce to management and grant Scope relief............................................ .........again.
What good is a Scope clause if it is never (or for a very, very minimal time) actually limiting?
How about we just keep the Scope agreement we currently have. The agreement that management wanted and we gave them 3 years ago.
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05-27-2015, 04:38 AM
#4895
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
Yes, but if it ain't the Oregon cheerleaders, he probably won't listen...
And this post is really curious coming from you
05-27-2015, 04:47 AM
#4896
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.
And this post is really curious coming from you
And this post is really curious coming from you
05-27-2015, 04:49 AM
#4897
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.
And this post is really curious coming from you
And this post is really curious coming from you
05-27-2015, 05:08 AM
#4898
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Originally Posted by scambo1
If you enjoy the debate, then change back to your original screen name. We all know you hit the crack pipe again and have to go thru the 12 steps to get off it.
05-27-2015, 06:32 AM
#4899
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Bravo! Buying it down, however is very expensive.
Same with the AS code share abuse. In fact, not doing so puts DL in a position of perpetual weakness by telling AS management that DL management places a high value on keeping the option open. Better for everyone if they slam the door shut permanently (at least to current levels). SEA is a hub, period. And the AF/KLM issue needs to be settled in a way that increases our share of flying in that and every other JV with strict penalties for non compliance since for half a decade they've shown no desire to honor their agreement without a strong penalty.
05-27-2015, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Forcing 76 seaters to sunset may not come super cheap, but we should have no problem sunsetting at lease some 50's and increasing the mainline block ratio to at least near current levels. Even 76 seaters should be capped in a check valve style choke point. If they operate less for 6 months, that becomes the new limit, etc.
Same with the AS code share abuse. In fact, not doing so puts DL in a position of perpetual weakness by telling AS management that DL management places a high value on keeping the option open. Better for everyone if they slam the door shut permanently (at least to current levels). SEA is a hub, period. And the AF/KLM issue needs to be settled in a way that increases our share of flying in that and every other JV with strict penalties for non compliance since for half a decade they've shown no desire to honor their agreement without a strong penalty.
Same with the AS code share abuse. In fact, not doing so puts DL in a position of perpetual weakness by telling AS management that DL management places a high value on keeping the option open. Better for everyone if they slam the door shut permanently (at least to current levels). SEA is a hub, period. And the AF/KLM issue needs to be settled in a way that increases our share of flying in that and every other JV with strict penalties for non compliance since for half a decade they've shown no desire to honor their agreement without a strong penalty.
As to the AK portion, I agree again that SEA is a hub. I would think that would be a no brainer on this TA. I don't know enough about the other stuff you mention so I will defer to you on that.
I downloaded MEC Scope compliance analysis from the May meeting, and it is not until the last page that you find anything out of compliance. Of course you don't have the narrative to go with the PP presentation slides, but on the surface it does not appear to be the gloom and doom that some make it out to be. What say you?
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