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Old 05-26-2015 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Holding the line costs zero capital. Unless we're dumb enough to value in pre-made concessions or fall for the "bargaining credit" nonsense of selling jobs to management. They have all the small DC-9 sized RJ's we should ever give them. If anything we should start sunsetting what they do have.
Bravo! Buying it down, however is very expensive.
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Old 05-26-2015 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
We ALWAYS relax scope.
Every agreement for the last ten years has had scope concessions.
This one will be no different.

We'll probably get hit on the bottom with more 76 seaters and the top when the AF/KLM grievance magically goes away.




Yep,

Every contract we agree on Scope. But often before the Scope agreement is actually limiting we acquiesce to management and grant Scope relief............................................ .........again.

What good is a Scope clause if it is never (or for a very, very minimal time) actually limiting?

How about we just keep the Scope agreement we currently have. The agreement that management wanted and we gave them 3 years ago.

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Old 05-27-2015 | 01:50 AM
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Has anybody told Bender about decaf?
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Old 05-27-2015 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Has anybody told Bender about decaf?
Yes, but if it ain't the Oregon cheerleaders, he probably won't listen...
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Old 05-27-2015 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Has anybody told Bender about decaf?
I just enjoy the debate. I guess unless I am spewing anti ALPA rhetoric or propagating rumors it is not valid?
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Old 05-27-2015 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
Yes, but if it ain't the Oregon cheerleaders, he probably won't listen...
Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.

And this post is really curious coming from you
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Old 05-27-2015 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.

And this post is really curious coming from you
Ha.. It was just a joke. I am not sure if you are T or not.. But anytime I can bring the Oregon cheering squad into the debate... Why not?
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Old 05-27-2015 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.

And this post is really curious coming from you
If you enjoy the debate, then change back to your original screen name. We all know you hit the crack pipe again and have to go thru the 12 steps to get off it.
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Old 05-27-2015 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
If you enjoy the debate, then change back to your original screen name. We all know you hit the crack pipe again and have to go thru the 12 steps to get off it.
There is no 12 step that would work for me.
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Old 05-27-2015 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Bravo! Buying it down, however is very expensive.
Forcing 76 seaters to sunset may not come super cheap, but we should have no problem sunsetting at lease some 50's and increasing the mainline block ratio to at least near current levels. Even 76 seaters should be capped in a check valve style choke point. If they operate less for 6 months, that becomes the new limit, etc.

Same with the AS code share abuse. In fact, not doing so puts DL in a position of perpetual weakness by telling AS management that DL management places a high value on keeping the option open. Better for everyone if they slam the door shut permanently (at least to current levels). SEA is a hub, period. And the AF/KLM issue needs to be settled in a way that increases our share of flying in that and every other JV with strict penalties for non compliance since for half a decade they've shown no desire to honor their agreement without a strong penalty.
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