Details on Delta TA
05-25-2015, 01:44 AM
#4795
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Originally Posted by Professor
We need industry leading rates and work rules. Period.
I don't support the ways in which many of the ranters present their arguments...it obviously turns a lot of people (perhaps most) off. But the fiscal arguments behind them are valid and should not be ignored.
If I were Delta management, I'd actually want what you seem to want...and that makes me nervous.
RA: "Men, how low can we go and still pass this TA pronto?"
Minions: "If you give them something barely industry-leading, it will pass quickly and we'll still be able to claim exceptional relations with our pilot group. Fortunately, the industry standard is still so low that it won't cost much to make that happen."
RA: "Perfect! Make it so. And when that's done, we'll have to figure out what the heck to do with all this cash laying around. You wanna toss an extra $2.5 back to Wall Street and see what it does to our stock price?"
Minions: "Genius! Let's do it! $7.5B over 3 years to Wall Street would be a far better investment than the $600,000 average per pilot equivalent over the same time. As Parker noted, pilots really don't have anything to do with the profitability of an airline anyway - but don't tell them we said that, haha!"
05-25-2015, 04:15 AM
#4796
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Originally Posted by Professor
For all those screaming 'restoration!!!' Like a crazed lunatic. Does anyone remember WHY that contract had those rates?
So which do we want. A contract that leads most of the industry? Or a contract that leads the industry AND gives back all the scope that was surrendered in C2K????
Restoration is an empty and fallacious rallying cry. And it needs to be dropped.
We need industry leading rates and work rules. Period.
And we need to wait until the TA(if we get one) is finished.
So which do we want. A contract that leads most of the industry? Or a contract that leads the industry AND gives back all the scope that was surrendered in C2K????
Restoration is an empty and fallacious rallying cry. And it needs to be dropped.
We need industry leading rates and work rules. Period.
And we need to wait until the TA(if we get one) is finished.
05-25-2015, 04:26 AM
#4797
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Originally Posted by Timbo
The Delta pilot group has NEVER voted down a T/A. By the time a T/A comes out of the MEC, it's over. Just like in 2012. THAT is why so many guys are getting riled up now, they have learned. Why haven't you? Or perhaps you were one of the ones involve selling us the two 3% raises we'd never see?
First off. Sorry you are angry. That's sucks.
Second. Read my other posts about process. If you want the way this is done to change you have to change it at the DALPA level. Complaining like this is like yelling at God because he let it rain at your kids quinceañera (or insert ethnically appropriate right of passage here).
You can get riled up. That's cool. But it's not very productive. And doesn't stop the rain.
05-25-2015, 04:35 AM
#4798
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Originally Posted by Professor
First off. Sorry you are angry. That's sucks.
Second. Read my other posts about process. If you want the way this is done to change you have to change it at the DALPA level. Complaining like this is like yelling at God because he let it rain at your kids quinceañera (or insert ethnically appropriate right of passage here).
You can get riled up. That's cool. But it's not very productive. And doesn't stop the rain.
Second. Read my other posts about process. If you want the way this is done to change you have to change it at the DALPA level. Complaining like this is like yelling at God because he let it rain at your kids quinceañera (or insert ethnically appropriate right of passage here).
You can get riled up. That's cool. But it's not very productive. And doesn't stop the rain.
What was that?
Straight up BS, that's what.
Why the rush this time? Who's timeline are we on?
Oh, that's right King Richard said we have to hurry and he said he's got a manning problem, we'd better give more concessions, maybe we can trade more of our profit sharing for another 3% raise too!
05-25-2015, 04:35 AM
#4799
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I think it's pretty clear now why the company paid out ~half of the PS several months early last year.
They were prepping the battlefield, and wanted to remove the psychological boost of one large profit sharing check immediately prior to Section 6 openers. They were trying to acclimate us to getting less on Feb 14.
Sambo nailed it. PS completely negates the "TVM" of another rushed deal.
Let's wind the clock.
They were prepping the battlefield, and wanted to remove the psychological boost of one large profit sharing check immediately prior to Section 6 openers. They were trying to acclimate us to getting less on Feb 14.
Sambo nailed it. PS completely negates the "TVM" of another rushed deal.
Let's wind the clock.
05-25-2015, 04:39 AM
#4800
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I would say that first, again, sorry you feel Richard is a X or XII or whatever number of kings they are on now.
Second. What else can you do but talk to your reps? If you are doing that that is what the process is. This is a Republic, of sorts, and they are our not-beholden-to-lobbyists-except-us representatives.
To say I don't advocate vocal interaction with reps is to not read my posts. But I know if it's raining it's hard to read my phone and curse the sky simultaneously.
Second. What else can you do but talk to your reps? If you are doing that that is what the process is. This is a Republic, of sorts, and they are our not-beholden-to-lobbyists-except-us representatives.
To say I don't advocate vocal interaction with reps is to not read my posts. But I know if it's raining it's hard to read my phone and curse the sky simultaneously.
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