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Old 05-31-2015, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I guess the fact that ALPA's economic and financial analysts are considered the best there is for looking at the books in the airline industry has escaped you. They are so good they often get hired out as subcontractors for other accounting firms that dont have their expertise.
I do agree their numbers would be different then yours. Perhaps since you recently posted that not only was contract 2012 cost neutral but it funded all the other employees raises you might back that up with a few facts.
Please feel free to explain the following.
1. Pay raises of 20% for 80% of the pilot group and and around 27% for reserves. Cost in direct dollars close to 500 million a year.
2. Indirect raises in training and vacation.
3. When all the work rules were averaged together the jobs to block hour ratio remained the same so no real job loss to work rules.
4. Increase in retirement
5. Profit sharing hitting 16.8% last year for another 300 million to the pilots. Expected to be 19% to 20% this year for another 380 million to the pilot group.

Now Carl please feel free to post where the concessions are that added up to the 800 million additional pay dollars received in 2014 with substantially more due in 2015 and another 300 million to pay for the other employees improvements. Don't just post BS. Put some numbers out there and attach those numbers to contract changes. If your going to try and claim manning as some have post the block hours and number of pilots.

I think you are confusing them with BDO.

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Old 05-31-2015, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
What are the concessions?
If there aren't any then we don't have anything to worry about.
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Old 05-31-2015, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rube View Post
The leaks/rumors/floaters don't always come from behind the doors of a closed session meeting. Some of them are like a "show bird" at the trap range. The clay target sails out, and now the other side knows a bit more about where to aim. Some of this stuff is pure garbage, but some of it is written to either prevent a democratic outcome, or to gain intelligence about the pilots' price point in MEMRAT.

But the average bear can't tell the difference. We're talking millions of dollars here, paid for with just a few well-placed words. Congratulations. Management now knows your lowest number, and is certain that APC is filled with complete loons. The latest super premium update from C20 touches on this a bit.

Now that's irony.
Did you include a negotiating committee going slightly rogue in your calculus?
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Old 06-01-2015, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor View Post
I would love to hear your alternative? Actually, give me a solution to your problem. Step by step. What is the problem and how do we fix it?
Independant union.
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Old 06-01-2015, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Did you include a negotiating committee going slightly rogue in your calculus?
You can't ever the discount the possibility of a subordinate trying to supplant their own judgment to your instructions, can you? In which case, you just yank the leash back.

The fact that the MEC oversees the NC tells me that whatever is happening is happening with the MEC's consent. How could it not, especially considering they meet constantly. Conclusion: some of the MEC isn't happy, but they don't have the majority, so they blame others. The fact that it's been happening over, and over, and over, over a broad range of topics involving or not involving the NC, tells me it's a power struggle. Two sets of guys want to in charge, one set isn't getting their guys in successfully, within ALPA, or outside of it, so they set up these sorts of accounts to discredit their oponents. If they have to slaughter their own guys or a deal in the process, it's OK.

In parallel to this, there is a philosophical debate to be had over constructive engagement, concessions, etc. I think it's being overshadowed by the power struggle.

I think most everyone here is smart enough to see both things are going on, but most guys are afraid to separate the power struggle, from the legitimate debate, lest they be labelled.

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Old 06-01-2015, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
Believing your own press releases and PR is a recipe for being beaten by opponents.



Yes, but would they be different THAN mine?



It's what Richard and Ed have said many times publicly and to lie about that would be problematic if not worse since they are directors of a public company.




Two sides can explain what Richard and Ed meant when they said what they said. Richard and Ed don't seem to think they need to clarify. DALPA could release the costing sheets to show exactly how C2012 was either cost neutral or not. How it also funded initiatives to benefit OTHER employee groups at Delta, or not. DALPA refuses to release them.

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Old 06-01-2015, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8 View Post
You can't ever the discount the possibility of a subordinate trying to supplant their own judgment to your instructions, can you? In which case, you just yank the leash back.

The fact that the MEC oversees the NC tells me that whatever is happening is happening with the MEC's consent. How could it not, especially considering they meet constantly. Conclusion: some of the MEC isn't happy, but they don't have the majority, so they blame others. The fact that it's been happening over, and over, and over, over a broad range of topics involving or not involving the NC, tells me it's a power struggle. Two sets of guys want to in charge, one set isn't getting their guys in successfully, within ALPA, or outside of it, so they set up these sorts of accounts to discredit their oponents. If they have to slaughter their own guys or a deal in the process, it's OK.

In parallel to this, there is a philosophical debate to be had over constructive engagement, concessions, etc. I think it's being overshadowed by the power struggle.

I think most everyone here is smart enough to see both things are going on, but most guys are afraid to separate the power struggle, from the legitimate debate, lest they be labelled.
For a guy who is no where near up to speed on all that's being discussed regarding negotiations this isn't the first I've heard about this. So all that talk about "unity" is just for the masses I guess. Sounds like a great environment for a CF.
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:58 AM
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We have a few events upcoming that could be rushing this timeline.

Note the type of conference this will be.

I think there was something else scheduled for this week also.

http://ir.delta.com/news-and-events/...r/default.aspx



Delta to present at Deutsche Bank Global Industrials and Basic Materials Conference




May 27, 2015
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ATLANTA, May 27, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL) will present at the Deutsche Bank Global Industrials and Basic Materials Conference at approximately 1:45 p.m. ET on Thursday, June 4, 2015.
A live webcast of this event can be accessed via the internet at:
http://cc.talkpoint.com/deut001/060315a_ae/?entity=53_X3248VY
The online replay will be available at the same site shortly after the webcast is complete until Sept. 3, 2015.
Delta Air Lines serves more than 170 million customers each year. Delta was named to FORTUNE magazine's top 50 World's Most Admired Companies in addition to being named the most admired airline for the fourth time in five years. Additionally, Delta has ranked No.1 in the Business Travel News Annual Airline survey for four consecutive years, a first for any airline. With an industry-leading global network, Delta and the Delta Connection carriers offer service to 327 destinations in 60 countries on six continents. Headquartered in Atlanta, Delta employs nearly 80,000 employees worldwide and operates a mainline fleet of more than 700 aircraft. The airline is a founding member of the SkyTeam global alliance and participates in the industry's leading trans-Atlantic joint venture with Air France-KLM and Alitalia as well as a newly formed joint venture with Virgin Atlantic. Including its worldwide alliance partners, Delta offers customers more than 15,000 daily flights, with key hubs and markets including Amsterdam, Atlanta, Boston, Detroit, Los Angeles, Minneapolis/St. Paul, New York-JFK, New York-LaGuardia, Paris-Charles de Gaulle, Salt Lake City, Seattle and Tokyo-Narita. Delta has invested billions of dollars in airport facilities, global products, services and technology to enhance the customer experience in the air and on the ground. Additional information is available on delta.com, Twitter @Delta, Google.com/+Delta, Facebook.com/delta and Delta's blog takingoff.delta.com.
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Old 06-01-2015, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
Any bets on a TA coming from the meeting this week?
if it does come this week then without a doubt it'll be the best contract ever considering the airlines profitability and future outlook, right? Right??
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Old 06-01-2015, 04:16 AM
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Delta MEC Special Meeting



Author: ENDFINGER, THOMAS/Friday, May 29, 2015/Categories: MEC
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Event date: 6/2/2015 9:00 AM - 6/4/2015 5:00 PM Export event
Delta Master Executive Council Special Meeting, 2-4 June 2015 at the Atlanta Hilton, 255 Courtland Street, NE, Atlanta, GA, (404) 659-2000.

As a share holder and union member I would like to attend both of these events on June 4.

How to decide?

I wonder which one I'll actually be allowed to attend?
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