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#5282
Exactly right Carl. Returning money to the investors is pure BS. RA and his minions are becoming quite wealthy with all this. The luster has completely worn off and we have an MEC with Stockholm Syndrome. The problem WE as pilots have is membership apathy. Nobody bothers to show up at LEC meetings, or even bother to vote in their LEC elections.
Be careful next time he shows up at the crash pad Dalad, check his pockets before turning your back on him. I'm kidding, of course. I know he's harmless. Just likes a good debate.
#5283
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
Undoubtedly management has re crunched their own numbers.
I agree. Management has crunched and dissected their own numbers, and our DALPA experts have crunched and dissected management's numbers.
Sure would be great if our union had independent economic and financial analysts.
Oh wait.
Carl
I agree. Management has crunched and dissected their own numbers, and our DALPA experts have crunched and dissected management's numbers.
Sure would be great if our union had independent economic and financial analysts.
Oh wait.
Carl
I do agree their numbers would be different then yours. Perhaps since you recently posted that not only was contract 2012 cost neutral but it funded all the other employees raises you might back that up with a few facts.
Please feel free to explain the following.
1. Pay raises of 20% for 80% of the pilot group and and around 27% for reserves. Cost in direct dollars close to 500 million a year.
2. Indirect raises in training and vacation.
3. When all the work rules were averaged together the jobs to block hour ratio remained the same so no real job loss to work rules.
4. Increase in retirement
5. Profit sharing hitting 16.8% last year for another 300 million to the pilots. Expected to be 19% to 20% this year for another 380 million to the pilot group.
Now Carl please feel free to post where the concessions are that added up to the 800 million additional pay dollars received in 2014 with substantially more due in 2015 and another 300 million to pay for the other employees improvements. Don't just post BS. Put some numbers out there and attach those numbers to contract changes. If your going to try and claim manning as some have post the block hours and number of pilots.
#5284
If you don't like the association, stop making it impossible to miss.
NDA's signed were for protection of non-public info disclosed by Delta management. What's your point?
Oh, OK now I see where you're coming from. First, the SEC doesn't care about what the union discloses about itself. Second, if you didn't already know that, what non-public information about Delta has been released by anyone covered under that NDA.
I'll let others take this one. It's too easy.
Carl
Carl
#5285
I guess the fact that ALPA's economic and financial analysts are considered the best there is for looking at the books in the airline industry has escaped you. They are so good they often get hired out as subcontractors for other accounting firms that dont have their expertise.
Yes, but would they be different THAN mine?
Please feel free to explain the following.
1. Pay raises of 20% for 80% of the pilot group and and around 27% for reserves. Cost in direct dollars close to 500 million a year.
2. Indirect raises in training and vacation.
3. When all the work rules were averaged together the jobs to block hour ratio remained the same so no real job loss to work rules.
4. Increase in retirement
5. Profit sharing hitting 16.8% last year for another 300 million to the pilots. Expected to be 19% to 20% this year for another 380 million to the pilot group.
Now Carl please feel free to post where the concessions are that added up to the 800 million additional pay dollars received in 2014 with substantially more due in 2015 and another 300 million to pay for the other employees improvements. Don't just post BS. Put some numbers out there and attach those numbers to contract changes. If your going to try and claim manning as some have post the block hours and number of pilots.
1. Pay raises of 20% for 80% of the pilot group and and around 27% for reserves. Cost in direct dollars close to 500 million a year.
2. Indirect raises in training and vacation.
3. When all the work rules were averaged together the jobs to block hour ratio remained the same so no real job loss to work rules.
4. Increase in retirement
5. Profit sharing hitting 16.8% last year for another 300 million to the pilots. Expected to be 19% to 20% this year for another 380 million to the pilot group.
Now Carl please feel free to post where the concessions are that added up to the 800 million additional pay dollars received in 2014 with substantially more due in 2015 and another 300 million to pay for the other employees improvements. Don't just post BS. Put some numbers out there and attach those numbers to contract changes. If your going to try and claim manning as some have post the block hours and number of pilots.
Carl
#5286
Would you want CRJ900s and E175s here?
#5287
Doesn't Skywest have an order for 100 90-100 seat Mitsubishi or Canadair Jets? Doesn't our scope clause prohibit Delta from code sharing with a company that operates aircraft larger than our size limit, even if it's for a different airline? Based on what I understand about our Section 1, the minute Skywest takes delivery of their first 76+ seat aircraft! we no longer do business with them...unless the language changes.
My guess is there will be a subtle rewording of that provision in our contract, if it hasn't already been re-written. There was that Republic buying Frontier and owning Shuttle America (our code-share partner) debacle a few years ago.
#5288
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Joined APC: May 2015
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Posts: 2,959
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