Originally Posted by Starcheck102

The FLTOPS comms reveal something about corporate structure. Or lack of it. They probably spent all day Monday re-running the bid after the brass finally let them in on the fact that eight 747A awards were no longer valid. FLTOPS is still on the clothesline.

Sloppy. Disorganized.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I never heard him say he did not like 777's. What he did say was ours had a very inefficient layout and seat count. That's been fixed.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102

I think that's a stretch, at best.

RA has stated publicly on many occasions that he hates four-engine gas guzzlers. Everyone knows that the 747s are going away, the only question was "when," and apparently it's sooner than Crew Scheduling was able to reckon. The FLTOPS comms reveal something about corporate structure. Or lack of it. They probably spent all day Monday re-running the bid after the brass finally let them in on the fact that eight 747A awards were no longer valid. FLTOPS is still on the clothesline.

Sloppy. Disorganized.

The only people talking about pay banding and freezes are in C20. We need pay solutions that reflect the new reality that pensions are gone, so the importance of FAE is zero, and pilots need to have more money earlier in their careers for retirement investments. We need to front-load our compensation.

Profit sharing is always for sale, but bring your checkbook.

Anyone daft enough to accept the concept that the limiting factor on fleet choices was pilot pay should probably check his plumbing for lead pipes. A deal is a deal, but the answer to every ultimatum is "no."

Originally Posted by Timbo

I'm thinking Management just created a whole bunch of negotiating leverage with the early 747 parking announcement.

"If you guys want to see new new wide body replacement jets, you'll have to give us, X, Y and Z, or we just won't be able to afford it."

X=Profit sharing
Y=Pay Banding
Z=Longer freezes

Originally Posted by DALMD88FO

Timbo,

I've been saying this to anyone that will listen. The company is very good at generating some sort of situation that has to be fixed every time we go into contract negotiations. I've been telling everyone that this time is the widebody carrot.

I can hear it now. We would love to put in an order for 50 777-300 ER's, however we can't afford them and give you guys a pay raises. If you just extend the current contract and give up your profit sharing then we will announce the order.

Originally Posted by tsquare

To which our response should be "Fine, we'll take the raises." I don't think it will go down like that though. We are in an oligopoly. DAL is either going to grow and be a real player, or not, and be relegated to third place. I think Mr. Anderson wants to grow the NETWORK.

Originally Posted by Clowns on Fire

You and DALPA are buying into the "good cop, bad cop" scenario the company would love for us to embrace.

We are blue collar labor. We must not buy into the "we (Flight Ops) tried to help, but the mean old BoD said no, those mean nasty meanies" tactic.

Flight Ops, BoD, whatever. To us, it's all Delta. Any internal strife, if any actually exists, is their problem.

Our problem is how to persuade "our" "union" to get us more money and more time off.

Originally Posted by gzsg

So no longer freezes. No pay banding. Just crazy council 20.

Why does management want to reduce our profit sharing? So they can bring their checkbook? They want us to fund our pay increases. And the admin boys are so slow they think they are winning.

Originally Posted by Starcheck102

You might not want to jump the shark so soon. Your political agenda is interfering with your better - and honest - intentions.

Good night.