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07-29-2014 | 06:54 AM
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Carl
The way it works is the admin formulates the plan. They share it with the yes voting guys on the MEC (I.e. Randy and Buzz) they spread the word verbally (never in writing).
They know all they need is a thin majority on the MEC to pass the deal. Then the repeat sell machine as C2012.
They have control of the message and the threats.
I have heard this downturn 2017 from more than 10 sources.
What downturn???
Jerry
The way it works is the admin formulates the plan. They share it with the yes voting guys on the MEC (I.e. Randy and Buzz) they spread the word verbally (never in writing).
They know all they need is a thin majority on the MEC to pass the deal. Then the repeat sell machine as C2012.
They have control of the message and the threats.
I have heard this downturn 2017 from more than 10 sources.
What downturn???
Jerry
Also, is it the ATL FO rep that posts here that is touting this economic downturn prediction?
Carl
07-29-2014 | 07:00 AM
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How can anyone say, in July of 2014, that there will be a downturn in 2017, that is just nuts.
Sure, there -might- be a downturn, but there also might be an upturn.
And a Black Swan might fly out of my ***...
Flip a coin, you have just as good a chance (50%) of being right!
Listen to me, I'm an Economic Expert!
Oh no, wait, I'm just an airline pilot! BUT BUT BUT...
The Economy may, or may not, improve, or it may even decline, in 2017. We had better capitulate NOW, before it's too late!!
Because...THE SKY IS FALLING...wait...it's not?
Well then...THE SKY COULD BE FALLING....in 2017!
Sure, there -might- be a downturn, but there also might be an upturn.
And a Black Swan might fly out of my ***...
Flip a coin, you have just as good a chance (50%) of being right!
Listen to me, I'm an Economic Expert!
Oh no, wait, I'm just an airline pilot! BUT BUT BUT...
The Economy may, or may not, improve, or it may even decline, in 2017. We had better capitulate NOW, before it's too late!!
Because...THE SKY IS FALLING...wait...it's not?
Well then...THE SKY COULD BE FALLING....in 2017!
Carl
07-29-2014 | 07:04 AM
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While I do know who .most of the reps are, I limit myself to providing input to my reps in person and to the MEC as a whole via the survey and my ratification vote.
For the record, I have zero interest proving you or anyone else wrong. I only ever seek to ferret out facts and whine about the occasional sniping that goes on.
For the record, I have zero interest proving you or anyone else wrong. I only ever seek to ferret out facts and whine about the occasional sniping that goes on.
Carl
07-29-2014 | 07:05 AM
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Wouldn't surprise me. I believe he considers himself an economic expert.
Like someone else posted... consistently and accurately predicting the economy is impossible. Anyone who tells you he can is either lying to you or has deluded himself into thinking he can do the impossible. And I don't want someone representing me who exhibits either of those characteristics.
Like someone else posted... consistently and accurately predicting the economy is impossible. Anyone who tells you he can is either lying to you or has deluded himself into thinking he can do the impossible. And I don't want someone representing me who exhibits either of those characteristics.
Carl
07-29-2014 | 07:22 AM
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07-29-2014 | 07:40 AM
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The shadow MEC talking point is official.
Downturn in 2017. We have to get a quick deal that includes trading profit sharing for hourly increases (cost neutral) and pay banding/longer freezes.
Why an early deal?
It's raining so much money management can't hide it all. They want to cut all employees profit sharing ASAP. And that means pilots first.
They also are getting a much closer look at their training nightmare. Time for major concessions in pay banding/longer freezes.
If it doesn't cost jobs, why does management want it?
Please don't believe a word I wrote. Call the reps in Atlanta, captain in CVG, LAX and SLC.
Right now the talking point is the MEC hasn't discussed it. The question is have you discussed it with any of the usual suspects? The ones King fired. The ones who backdoored us on C2012.
Our economy is just getting started. This nonsense is another boogie man to rush us into another pathetic deal.
Downturn in 2017. We have to get a quick deal that includes trading profit sharing for hourly increases (cost neutral) and pay banding/longer freezes.
Why an early deal?
It's raining so much money management can't hide it all. They want to cut all employees profit sharing ASAP. And that means pilots first.
They also are getting a much closer look at their training nightmare. Time for major concessions in pay banding/longer freezes.
If it doesn't cost jobs, why does management want it?
Please don't believe a word I wrote. Call the reps in Atlanta, captain in CVG, LAX and SLC.
Right now the talking point is the MEC hasn't discussed it. The question is have you discussed it with any of the usual suspects? The ones King fired. The ones who backdoored us on C2012.
Our economy is just getting started. This nonsense is another boogie man to rush us into another pathetic deal.
And I am glad that you didn't get into your usual bashing of the union and the process.
(usual suspects... backdoored...)
07-29-2014 | 07:41 AM
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07-29-2014 | 07:47 AM
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Is that not where our reps get their economic and financial analysis advice from? Or are you saying we have reps who are listening to guys like Goldfinger instead? *
* disclaimer: I'm going with the assumption that some of our reps are actually touting this economic downturn in 2017 as reported by Jerry. You may not like his point of view but I've never known of him to just make something up. Plus, it sounds exactly like something they would do.
* disclaimer: I'm going with the assumption that some of our reps are actually touting this economic downturn in 2017 as reported by Jerry. You may not like his point of view but I've never known of him to just make something up. Plus, it sounds exactly like something they would do.
Put everyone into a panic because...you can never be too safe!
But then, when it doesn't materialize, everyone's happy!
The weather man was 100% WRONG, but nobody's mad at him, and he doesn't get fired, because, HEY, it COULD have happened!
Aren't you glad you just bought $800 worth of plywood, water and batteries?
That's DALPA's E+F/A, right there. Why were they not fired after C2012? Because, hey, look how big your next profit sharing check is going to be! Aren't you so happy we got 4,8,3,3? We were so lucky the big storm missed us!
If you'll excuse me, I've got to run to Home Depot now, 2017 is coming in fast!
I think I hear thunder, and there's some wind, and and and...
We've got to hurry! The price of plywood is going to skyrocket if we don't get some asap!!
Time Value of Plywood!
http://tbo.com/weather/local/interactive-radar/?
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07-29-2014 | 08:21 AM
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It's like the weather man in Florida, trying to predict where/when the next hurricane will hit. They'll always go all doom and gloom, huge cone of uncertainty, you'd better go buy some plywood, water and batteries, NOW!
Put everyone into a panic because...you can never be too safe!
But then, when it doesn't materialize, everyone's happy!
The weather man was 100% WRONG, but nobody's ****ed at him, because, HEY, it COULD have happened!
Aren't you glad you just bought $800 worth of plywood, water and batteries?
That's DALPA's E+F/A, right there. Why were they not fired after C2012?
If you'll excuse me, I've got to run to Home Depot now, 2017 is coming in fast! I think I hear thunder, and there's some wind, and and and...
We've got to hurry! The price of plywood is going to skyrocket if we don't get some asap!! TVP!
Put everyone into a panic because...you can never be too safe!
But then, when it doesn't materialize, everyone's happy!
The weather man was 100% WRONG, but nobody's ****ed at him, because, HEY, it COULD have happened!
Aren't you glad you just bought $800 worth of plywood, water and batteries?
That's DALPA's E+F/A, right there. Why were they not fired after C2012?
If you'll excuse me, I've got to run to Home Depot now, 2017 is coming in fast! I think I hear thunder, and there's some wind, and and and...
We've got to hurry! The price of plywood is going to skyrocket if we don't get some asap!! TVP!
And you can never have too much plywood in Florida.
07-29-2014 | 08:36 AM
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As for the ATL reps, and all other reps, the best way to find out where they stand is to call them or speak in person.
Writing is good too.
It is the lurkers that will make us or break us.
We turned the tide on CDOs and we can kill any concessions extending freezes and well as keep reductions in profit sharing off the table.
Jerry
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