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Old 08-05-2014 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg

Show me the compounding on our executives 300% to 700% compensation increases since chapter 11.

You won't and we know why.
I know why. Because we aren't executives. We chose a different path; one that allows us to set the brakes and go home without worrying about the 24/7 hassles of managing thousands of humans 24/7.

So there are about 20 people at Delta that earn more than you that aren't pilots. And you're fixated on them.

Bad choice on your part, eh?

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Old 08-06-2014 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
So did you. So did Moak. Rj's are good for Delta pilots...don't you remember that Sailingfun?

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Not once have I ever posted or thought the E170/175 should be at DCI. I have been 100 percent consistent in my posts on that issue. It's a mainline aircraft. Malone also brought us LOA 46. That was the biggest give back in the history of Delta airlines and we were not in chapter 11. The forum has talked over and over about what a huge mistake that was yet they seem to forget it was Malones baby.
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Old 08-06-2014 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Splash
I know why. Because we aren't executives. We chose a different path; one that allows us to set the brakes and go home without worrying about the 24/7 hassles of managing thousands of humans 24/7.

So there are about 20 people at Delta that earn more than you that aren't pilots. And you're fixated on them.

Bad choice on your part, eh?
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Not at all. I do not believe pilots should make $5 million a year.

I do believe in fairness and balance. Their compensation has increased 300% to 700% since chapter 11.

The Delta pilots need 18% to 20% to return to a pay rate that is over a decade old with no inflation.

You can apologize for management all you want. I respect your right to your opinion.

I, for one, would like to see some balance. Not a 300% increase for the Delta pilots. Just 20% plus some inflation date of signing.

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Old 08-06-2014 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ATL7ER
Why does your chart say we got a 4% raise in 2014? I only got 3%.

Screwed again!!
1% more in the DC.
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Old 08-06-2014 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
it is likely that many/most of the pilots displaced off the whale cant hold the 777, so yes, they will displace to lower paying equipment (capts...the FOs may displace to capt or something that pays less). However, Jerry's waterfall will be mitigated by A330 arrivals (IMO). So, it's unlikely there will be a cascade through the list.
Probably the reason the are waiting to post those displacements.
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Old 08-06-2014 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Splash
I know why. Because we aren't executives. We chose a different path; one that allows us to set the brakes and go home without worrying about the 24/7 hassles of managing thousands of humans 24/7.

So there are about 20 people at Delta that earn more than you that aren't pilots. And you're fixated on them.

Bad choice on your part, eh?
I don't think the it's fact that they make more that irks some people, it's the fact that some have sacrificed to save Delta, and some have reaped the benefits to a disproportionate amount.
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Old 08-06-2014 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
I read everything Captain Malone wrote and would have followed him easily.

T.O. And M.D. Are no John Malone.

I would love to hear more from Mike. Love for him to lead us. The lack of communication leads me to believe another cost neutral deal is coming our way.

We got C2012 because Tim ignored the pilots and was way over his head. Was there more on the table?

Let's not repeat that.
Your right he is not John Malone. JM was in charge and the force behind the largest give back in the history of Delta. (Loa46). I would have loved to see your posts on JM had you been at Delta then. They might not have been as favorable when he was giving almost 1 billion dollars back to the company.
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Old 08-06-2014 | 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
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Show me the compounding on our executives 300% to 700% compensation increases since chapter 11.

You won't and we know why.
Because it is not relevant to anything. Why don't you focus on the strata of labor that is making minimum wage at DAL? Same reason.

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You and I both know the freight trains coming. The sales job talking points almost done.

Try explaining to anyone how the Delta pilots hourly rate is 18% to 20% lower than it was over a decade ago. Real people, real faces. No inflation. Record profits. Billions to shareholders.

You sold it once and you will sell it again.

Longer freezes are good!! This is a win! Disregard the loss of jobs. It's good to include the JV scope violation in this deal!

Funding our increases with profit sharing is smart!

Will the pilots buy in again? Will they believe the threats?

Will they believe their is nothing more on the table?

Time will tell.

Jerry
Freight trains? I thought I got a whiff of DAL buying oil cars to move that crude from the Bakken....

The rest of your post is your typical Chicken Little fluff.
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Old 08-06-2014 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Splash
I know why. Because we aren't executives. We chose a different path; one that allows us to set the brakes and go home without worrying about the 24/7 hassles of managing thousands of humans 24/7.

So there are about 20 people at Delta that earn more than you that aren't pilots. And you're fixated on them.

Bad choice on your part, eh?

Exactly Splash.
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Old 08-06-2014 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Your right he is not John Malone. JM was in charge and the force behind the largest give back in the history of Delta. (Loa46). I would have loved to see your posts on JM had you been at Delta then. They might not have been as favorable when he was giving almost 1 billion dollars back to the company.
Sailing,

I usually respect your posts, but I think you are being unfair. I think JM had to make painful decisions at a painful time. As for "being the largest giveback in the history of Delta"...maybe that is because he also negotiated the largest increase in the history, etc.

To make the logic extreme but still pertinent, what if you were making $1000/hr prior to LOA 46, then took a 70% pay cut to "only" get to $300/hr? You would still be at $300/hr, but could also truthfully state "the largest giveback" etc etc.

I thought JM was a good MEC chairman (and prior to that, Negotiating Committe chair etc). I thought it was a mistake for Moak to run against him when he did (and win the MEC chair as well).

THAT said, I thought that Moak actually has done a pretty good job in numerous demanding environments as well. One does not have to be on one side or the other. Both JM and LM ultimately want what is best for the DAL pilots they led. Often times it is more a question of differences of method than desired end result.

But the whole point of this is I think your post unfair, and does not also tell the entire story.
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