I read everything Captain Malone wrote and would have followed him easily.

T.O. And M.D. Are no John Malone.

I would love to hear more from Mike. Love for him to lead us. The lack of communication leads me to believe another cost neutral deal is coming our way.

We got C2012 because Tim ignored the pilots and was way over his head. Was there more on the table?

Let's not repeat that.

 

I hear what you are saying, but look at the reality. The disrespect.

Management couldn't delay a couple of days and inform the pilot group of the parking of the 747s?

Management's behavior on FAR 117?

A330 rest facilities?

$2.75 billion in a second round of buy backs/dividends to the shareholder and the pilot concessions stay in place?

What am I missing?

There is no balance.

Jerry

 

Nothing of the sort. I was simply asking Jerry what his rate was in 2004. His inability to give a straight answer to a simple question like that gives me great pause to believe the more complex things he purports.

We all have a right to speak, but we all have a responsibility to speak truthfully.

 

Translation: "Since I can't win based on the merit of my argument, I'll try slinging a little mud and see if I can cast doubts on his credibility."

You must really be a DALPA insider, Shiz!

 

Apples and Oranges. NWAs contract often provided higher W-2s with lower rates. Many took paycuts (lower W-2s) immediately after the merger despite higher rates. Using the DAL rates would be more relevant.

 

Of course John Malone brought the E170/175 to DCI and thought that was a good decision.

 

Nice. For what it's worth, PUB events are certainly public, although I agree that they may not have the reach of a Chairman's Letter. I can't speak for what he's saying to management.

I've been accused of worse.

 

I disagree. Jerry gave a straight answer.

Jerry is a DAL 757 CA. "His" rate in 2004 is what the DAL 757A rate was in 2004.

The fact that Jerry was a NWA 757 CA in 2004 is irrelevant....unless you're trying to make the inferences that I mentioned or make it personal. But I thought we were talking about getting pay rates back to where they should be at Delta. Since Delta is where we all work now.

Using what I sense is your logic here then any DAL pilot that was not on property in 2004, including all the new hires that will be here long after we are all gone, should not be able to use 2004 rates as a reference point in attempts to improve the PWA.

 

This statement keeps getting repeated and is just false. First, almost every NWA pilot stayed on the NWA work rules throughout 2009, so when people say they took a pay cut because of DAL work rules it doesn't make sense. Second, if you remember, in June of 2008, the NWA MEC signed a Furlough Mitigation letter to prevent furloughs due to the DC-9 and 747F block hour reductions. Part of that furlough mitigation was an agreement for NWA pilots to fly fewer hours to keep pilots working. In fact, that block hour reduction got spread out to the DAL pilots through balancing 757 hours. So we all got fewer hours in 2009 which was acceptable, but to hear that you got screwed in the deal rings a little false in my mind. If you wanted to fly more hours in 2009, you should not have signed that furlough mitigation letter and furloughed pilots. That doesn't sound like a good trade in my mind.

Finally, in the twelve months before the merger, NWA pilots average 12 MINUTES more pay per MONTH than DAL pilots. I don't know if you got like $5,000 per hour more for those 12 minutes but if not, there was no statistically significant difference between the two contracts in terms of hours paid.

 

OK, then stop the cryptic busschit and explain it then oh exalted one. How are 3 whales going to the desert, that are paid the top payrate not going to result in pilots being displaced... and THEN result in a cascade of paycuts for an increased number of pilots below them? I don't give a chit about your waterfall scenario wrt training events. There will be guys who will be making less per hour. THAT in my part of this life is a paycut. Explain it differently, and without the black helicopters.