Details on Delta TA
06-08-2015, 10:57 AM
#6281
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Ok. What if profits go to 9 billion?
What if the go to 12 billion?
What if they, gasp, drop to 3.5 billion?
What if after RA leaves, Gordon Bethune comes and runs the airline? What if the volunteers can actually get some decent recruits and win more than they lose in the SEC. Should be somewhat easier than to go 3-5.
What if the go to 12 billion?
What if they, gasp, drop to 3.5 billion?
What if after RA leaves, Gordon Bethune comes and runs the airline? What if the volunteers can actually get some decent recruits and win more than they lose in the SEC. Should be somewhat easier than to go 3-5.
I think you might be forgetting part of my proposal. If we can trade a percentage of it, that's easily quantified. For example, under the current system, the first $2.5 billion of profit yields 10% to the employees. That's $250 million. The pilots get roughly a third of that. We'll round up and call it $85 million. IF, after we negotiate the total value of the contract, management proposes to convert that $85 million to pay rates while keeping the upper end percentages intact, that to me is a no-brainer.
This way, we get guaranteed rates while ensuring that if your scenario comes to fruition and the company makes $12 billion (Please God!), well participate in that, too.
Last edited by D Mantooth; 06-08-2015 at 10:58 AM. Reason: Wrong name
06-08-2015, 10:58 AM
#6282
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
This kind of complaining is just like the complaints we will start to see in 2016 about Gerrymandering and voter registration in national politics. These rules have been in place for a long time. Why are YOU just now questioning them? Why didn't YOU voice disapproval a year or two ago when YOU knew that we would be having a TA someday to examine?
I think most pilots will be fine with making their decision when the MEC releases to product to us. You obviously are not. I'm good with that. If you want something different, get it changed.
I think most pilots will be fine with making their decision when the MEC releases to product to us. You obviously are not. I'm good with that. If you want something different, get it changed.
06-08-2015, 10:58 AM
#6283
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
What's your point?
No, not really. That's a given that every football fan gets.
My point is: you wrote, "I guess the what if game is only valid if it is all gloom and doom."
All the what ifs in that post were positives. That's the thing with risk.
Every time you push the throttles up, you could have an engine failure at v1. What if that happens?
What if when you pushed the throttles up you had a normal takeoff?
With PS, so much focus on the negative risk. Oh my god, what will we do if Richard leaves! Just as there is negative risk with PS, there is also positive outcomes as well.
06-08-2015, 11:03 AM
#6285
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
Manager,
I think you might be forgetting part of my proposal. If we can trade a percentage of it, that's easily quantified. For example, under the current system, the first $2.5 billion of profit yields 10% to the employees. That's $250 million. The pilots get roughly a third of that. We'll round up and call it $85 million. IF, after we negotiate the total value of the contract, management proposes to convert that $85 million to pay rates while keeping the upper end percentages intact, that to me is a no-brainer.
This way, we get guaranteed rates while ensuring that if your scenario comes to fruition and the company makes $12 billion (Please God!), well participate in that, too.
I think you might be forgetting part of my proposal. If we can trade a percentage of it, that's easily quantified. For example, under the current system, the first $2.5 billion of profit yields 10% to the employees. That's $250 million. The pilots get roughly a third of that. We'll round up and call it $85 million. IF, after we negotiate the total value of the contract, management proposes to convert that $85 million to pay rates while keeping the upper end percentages intact, that to me is a no-brainer.
This way, we get guaranteed rates while ensuring that if your scenario comes to fruition and the company makes $12 billion (Please God!), well participate in that, too.
What are our pay rates without the PS buy back in your scenario? Is that rate except able in today's profitable environment and measured against a 6,000,0000,000.00 dividend and stock buy back program?
Are we getting a true 1:1 ratio? I would expect that at a minimum.
Personally, I would want to see more. 1:1.5 for helping to solve their PS "problem."
06-08-2015, 11:05 AM
#6286
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Originally Posted by TheManager
That the Volunteers need to be able to win in the SEC to be relevant.
No, not really. That's a given that every football fan gets.
My point is: you wrote, "I guess the what if game is only valid if it is all gloom and doom."
All the what ifs in that post were positives. That's the thing with risk.
Every time you push the throttles up, you could have an engine failure at v1. What if that happens?
What if when you pushed the throttles up you had a normal takeoff?
With PS, so much focus on the negative risk. Oh my god, what will we do if Richard leaves! Just as there is negative risk with PS, there is also positive outcomes as well.
No, not really. That's a given that every football fan gets.
My point is: you wrote, "I guess the what if game is only valid if it is all gloom and doom."
All the what ifs in that post were positives. That's the thing with risk.
Every time you push the throttles up, you could have an engine failure at v1. What if that happens?
What if when you pushed the throttles up you had a normal takeoff?
With PS, so much focus on the negative risk. Oh my god, what will we do if Richard leaves! Just as there is negative risk with PS, there is also positive outcomes as well.
06-08-2015, 11:10 AM
#6288
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Actually, that is a fair point. I guess the gloom and doom is wearing thin with me. And then the topper to that is that we know nothing of any real substance yet the loud crowd on this board is all spooled up. If it makes you feel better, I guess go for it, but I don't see the point, and threatening to vote in the dee pee aaa is pretty divisive at this point. I prefer to be positive, but we'll see in a few days. Of course Carl KNOWS that I am going to vote yes, and I KNOW that PD will vote no, so there are only a few thousand votes you need to worry about, right?
Who said anything about voting them in? Recalls galore though will be absolutely necessary, IF this TA is rejected on any level.
06-08-2015, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Who said anything about voting them in? Recalls galore though will be absolutely necessary, IF this TA is rejected on any level.
I highly doubt it though.
And I was talking about the votes yay or nay for any TA that gets presented.
06-08-2015, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
Quick question,
I had heard a story that there was a bit of a scuffle during a road show in PTC during the last contract. Someone trying to take a microphone away from someone that had the floor. Is this story true? If so, who was involved? I would LOVE for someone to try that with me!
I had heard a story that there was a bit of a scuffle during a road show in PTC during the last contract. Someone trying to take a microphone away from someone that had the floor. Is this story true? If so, who was involved? I would LOVE for someone to try that with me!
As Yoda would say, "it is as it should be"
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