Originally Posted by georgetg

It wasn't a concession, it just didn't do what it purported to do...

Back in C2012 (pre 717) the actual MBH to RBH ratio was 1.19:1, that is for every Regional Block hour, there were 1.19 Mainline Block Hours. Remember that was before drawing down the 50 seaters and before adding the 717 and 739.

Maybe someone from ALPA can chime in with our current MBH to RBH ratio, It certainly will be higher than 1.19:1.

Just for kicks, considering a 25% reduction in DCI (approx 600 to 450 Rjs) and flat mainline Block Hours since C2012 would make our current ratio 1.58 (1.19:0.75)

Or flat RJ Block Hours since C2012 and a 30% mainline growth in block hours as slowplay claims would make the current ratio 1.54.

If indeed DCI shrunk by a bunch and mainline increased by 30% our current MBH to RBH ratio ought to be much higher.

How much "wiggle room" does the company get with the 1.81:1 ratio if we keep adding jets and DCI is being reduced?

Cheers
George

Originally Posted by TurbineDriver

Anybody know when the voting will start and end? I'm a poolie so wondering if I will be able to vote or not.

Originally Posted by lineplug

I've been doing some thinking. In the grand scheme of things everything involved in the negotiations boils down to money. That is where the focus should be. Two of the most items that have people fighting mad are the sick leave and LCA concessions. How much money do those two items really cost the company. After all, using the info we are getting from DALPA, sick leave is only abused by a few and the LCA change will only affect 2-3% of FOs. If these items only apply to such a small group then how much money could they actually cost the company?

The real money is the PS change which will reportedly save the company enough to cover our raise plus some. Which of the items does the company really care about? We need to make sure that we don't let the opposition control our focus.

Someone brought this up here a few days ago. What do we think would happen if the company announced, on say the 23rd, that the proposed changes to sick leave and LCA trips would be scrapped? I wager the TA would pass.

I may be wrong about this but it would be a masterful bit of negotiating by the other side. Tell us the number one priority is sick leave and throw the LCA trip grenade into the room to fragment the pilot group and keep the focus off the real issue (PS) . Did someone just pull the Jedi mind trick on us?

Any contract in the era of record profits should have a lot more money in it!

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Think of it as we're on a mission to create as many threads as Delta has manuals.

Originally Posted by slowplay

I guess it's the "natural business cycle" that has mainline domestic block hours up 30% since 2012 and DCI down a bunch...or was it the contract?

UAL and AMR didn't seem to have that natural business cycle...

You were wrong in your analysis of 2012. The results prove it.

Originally Posted by Flamer

I pray to the 8 pound baby Jesus every night that I never have to fly a trip with you.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Yeah. It's getting to the point where I can't find anything.

Originally Posted by Flamer

I pray to the 8 pound baby Jesus every night that I never have to fly a trip with you.

Originally Posted by lineplug

I've been doing some thinking. In the grand scheme of things everything involved in the negotiations boils down to money. That is where the focus should be. Two of the most items that have people fighting mad are the sick leave and LCA concessions. How much money do those two items really cost the company. After all, using the info we are getting from DALPA, sick leave is only abused by a few and the LCA change will only affect 2-3% of FOs. If these items only apply to such a small group then how much money could they actually cost the company?

The real money is the PS change which will reportedly save the company enough to cover our raise plus some. Which of the items does the company really care about? We need to make sure that we don't let the opposition control our focus.

Someone brought this up here a few days ago. What do we think would happen if the company announced, on say the 23rd, that the proposed changes to sick leave and LCA trips would be scrapped? I wager the TA would pass.

I may be wrong about this but it would be a masterful bit of negotiating by the other side. Tell us the number one priority is sick leave and throw the LCA trip grenade into the room to fragment the pilot group and keep the focus off the real issue (PS) . Did someone just pull the Jedi mind trick on us?

Any contract in the era of record profits should have a lot more money in it!

Originally Posted by scambo1

I wonder if there is a site where folks are congregating against this thing. It seems we are increasingly becoming more of an echo chamber of long time anonymous internet buds on APC.

I went to the Facebook anti TA page and signed up. However, I haven't been on Facebook in at least 3, maybe 4 years. I don't know how to navigate the page.

I'm a solid fear-free, happy with status quo, No phukkin way (thanks tumbleweed) vote. Easy, and probably bid to ER-A. This TA simply removes the benefit of being a money chasing and/or QOL chasing FO. This TA cements the reality that we are an un-appreciated number, not a person.

Deleted some of my further rant. Anyway, where's the congregation?