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What's the current ratio?

Carl Spackler

Slowplay is a drive-by bomb thrower. The minute you start to pick him apart, he'll just step on the gas and drive away.

Carl

georgetg

It wasn't a concession, it just didn't do what it purported to do...

Back in C2012 (pre 717) the actual MBH to RBH ratio was 1.19:1, that is for every Regional Block hour, there were 1.19 Mainline Block Hours. Remember that was before drawing down the 50 seaters and before adding the 717 and 739.

Maybe someone from ALPA can chime in with our current MBH to RBH ratio, It certainly will be higher than 1.19:1.

Just for kicks, considering a 25% reduction in DCI (approx 600 to 450 Rjs) and flat mainline Block Hours since C2012 would make our current ratio 1.58 (1.19:0.75)

Or flat RJ Block Hours since C2012 and a 30% mainline growth in block hours as slowplay claims would make the current ratio 1.54.

If indeed DCI shrunk by a bunch and mainline increased by 30% our current MBH to RBH ratio ought to be much higher.

How much "wiggle room" does the company get with the 1.81:1 ratio if we keep adding jets and DCI is being reduced?

Cheers
George

newKnow

Yeah. It's getting to the point where I can't find anything.

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The concession to me was getting rid of the 767 mainline fleet number and the requirement that any 76-seat growth come at the expense of 70-seaters with the max still being 255 jumbo RJs. The proponents of C2012 said it was a gain because the company could pump then dump, but that cost alone would make it a nonstarter not to mention they'd still end up with 255 RJs max. C2012 allowed them to pump while dumping.

That's why I believe it was a concession.

To drop an analogy on this thought, say a Delta pilot and an RJ pilot walk into a bar together. The bartender pours them two free beers of nearly the same size. Maybe the Delta pilot's is larger by a ratio of say, 1.19, but who is counting?

Now before they drink a sip of it the Bartender looks at the Delta pilot and says, if you buy his dinner, I'll make sure you have twice as much beer as he does. Delta pilot says, hell yeah, deal. And bartender reaches over to the RJ pilots beer, pours half of it out, and then gives him his dinner and turns to the Delta pilot and says that'll be $10.

Delta pilot objects. You didn't give me more beer? Nope. But you've got twice as much as he does and that was the deal. That's what that ratio was set at. Take away from DCI, but mainline was not required to have growth. Of course it was sold as 88 airplane growth, but that's not what the ratio required. It was probably more like 20. Out of 580 jets.

Still, this ratio ain't nothing compared to the issues TA2015 presents.

forgot to bid

I get that too and don't like it.

But then I realized it's easier to find C66 council letters if it has a dedicated thread.

So it has it's advantages. Think of it as we're on a mission to create as many threads as Delta has manuals.

newKnow

No worries. I created a thread, or three on the TA, too.


It's not your fault. Chit chat is much worse.

forgot to bid

I might have 3 or 4 under my belt. I love having our own sub forum.

scambo1

Now George throw in your calculus using increased RJ stage length.

TurbineDriver

Anybody know when the voting will start and end? I'm a poolie so wondering if I will be able to vote or not.