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06-18-2015, 07:05 AM
#9682
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Regarding sick leave: If ours so higher compared to our peers at the other legacies, why don't we borrow some of their language?
How is our sick leave policy different from theirs?
Do they have a "third party" involved?
How is our sick leave policy different from theirs?
Do they have a "third party" involved?
06-18-2015, 07:16 AM
#9683
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Position: 747-400 Captain
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Regarding sick leave: If ours so higher compared to our peers at the other legacies, why don't we borrow some of their language?
How is our sick leave policy different from theirs?
Do they have a "third party" involved?
How is our sick leave policy different from theirs?
Do they have a "third party" involved?
Carl
06-18-2015, 07:23 AM
#9684
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 115
Originally Posted by MtEverest
Professor,
When you are back on FPL I would still like answers to these questions:
Original Questions-
Using all the language, sections/subsections in the new contract (not just cherry picking the section you decide to cite), is there any scenario where Delta or their third party provider (or anybody else that is not me or the doctor I use) will ask me to provide my medical records? Cite this language from the TA.
Along with this answer please provide:
1. All scenarios where this can happen.
2. How far back they can go.
3. The likely and potential consequences for me not turning over my medical records?
Follow up Questions-
1. I asked you to cite the language. Please show the old language and new language and describe in more detail. You really were not complete in your answer. Is there any scenario where more than just the doctors notes of the item in question (ie sore throat) can be requested? Who can request that information? Also speak more in depth to "When you're in the medical release window 24 days in 365, 56 in 3 years". Be specific and all inclusive.
2. You failed to answer this question. Instead you chose to give an answer to a different question (which also appears to not be truthful). Please answer the question I asked. How far back can they can go?
3. Please expand on this. Could there also be disciplinary action? Could someone be fired for not supplying this information? Could a pilots desire to keep their medical records private lead to pilots flying sick to not deal with the paper chase and threat of disciplinary action? Does the new policy increase the chance pilots will not be paid when they are sick due to using people or organizations established to deny as many claims as possible to reduce costs to Delta?
Read through the questions carefully. Give complete answers please.
When you are back on FPL I would still like answers to these questions:
Original Questions-
Using all the language, sections/subsections in the new contract (not just cherry picking the section you decide to cite), is there any scenario where Delta or their third party provider (or anybody else that is not me or the doctor I use) will ask me to provide my medical records? Cite this language from the TA.
Along with this answer please provide:
1. All scenarios where this can happen.
2. How far back they can go.
3. The likely and potential consequences for me not turning over my medical records?
Follow up Questions-
1. I asked you to cite the language. Please show the old language and new language and describe in more detail. You really were not complete in your answer. Is there any scenario where more than just the doctors notes of the item in question (ie sore throat) can be requested? Who can request that information? Also speak more in depth to "When you're in the medical release window 24 days in 365, 56 in 3 years". Be specific and all inclusive.
2. You failed to answer this question. Instead you chose to give an answer to a different question (which also appears to not be truthful). Please answer the question I asked. How far back can they can go?
3. Please expand on this. Could there also be disciplinary action? Could someone be fired for not supplying this information? Could a pilots desire to keep their medical records private lead to pilots flying sick to not deal with the paper chase and threat of disciplinary action? Does the new policy increase the chance pilots will not be paid when they are sick due to using people or organizations established to deny as many claims as possible to reduce costs to Delta?
Read through the questions carefully. Give complete answers please.
Here is what I got from the road show:
1. They can't request your "medical records" as in your entire file. They can request the details of the doctor visit for that specific sick call
2. They can't "go back" to get previous records. If you reach one of the release thresholds (i think its 24 days in 365, and 54 days in 3 years, not sure of the numbers) the company may request the records for the doctor visit that put you over the trigger and subsequent ones to that. they can't ask for earlier records.
3. They can't ask for any records that don't relate to Delta sick calls
4. If you don't turn over your records you don't get paid for the sick time.
Don't ask me to quote language but that is what I picked up from listening to the road show.
06-18-2015, 07:36 AM
#9685
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Posts: 6,248
Originally Posted by badflaps
Chicago boy he is, reminds one of ol' Mayor Daley.
"The policeman isn't there to create disorder; the policeman is there to preserve disorder."
"We shall reach greater and greater platitudes of achievment."
"They have vilified me, they have crucified me; yes, they have even criticized me."
06-18-2015, 07:42 AM
#9686
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Position: 747-400 Captain
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Originally Posted by Bananie
Here is what I got from the road show:
1. They can't request your "medical records" as in your entire file. They can request the details of the doctor visit for that specific sick call
2. They can't "go back" to get previous records. If you reach one of the release thresholds (i think its 24 days in 365, and 54 days in 3 years, not sure of the numbers) the company may request the records for the doctor visit that put you over the trigger and subsequent ones to that. they can't ask for earlier records.
3. They can't ask for any records that don't relate to Delta sick calls
4. If you don't turn over your records you don't get paid for the sick time.
Don't ask me to quote language but that is what I picked up from listening to the road show.
1. They can't request your "medical records" as in your entire file. They can request the details of the doctor visit for that specific sick call
2. They can't "go back" to get previous records. If you reach one of the release thresholds (i think its 24 days in 365, and 54 days in 3 years, not sure of the numbers) the company may request the records for the doctor visit that put you over the trigger and subsequent ones to that. they can't ask for earlier records.
3. They can't ask for any records that don't relate to Delta sick calls
4. If you don't turn over your records you don't get paid for the sick time.
Don't ask me to quote language but that is what I picked up from listening to the road show.
Carl
06-18-2015, 07:48 AM
#9687
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06-18-2015, 07:49 AM
#9688
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Posts: 3,506
Originally Posted by lineplug
New Guy question:
Does DALPA publish their budget so we can see how our money is being spent?
Does DALPA publish their budget so we can see how our money is being spent?
There is a way to view most of ALPA National's biggest expenditures online.
It ain't easy, but here you go:
Organization Query Page (Disclosure)
1. Under "union name by abbreviation", open the pull down list and select ALPA
3. Click the "SUBMIT"
4. Scroll to the bottom of the ALPA accounts
5. Put a check mark next to 000-179
6. Select the report you want to view.
7. Click “SUBMIT” and enjoy your ride
Its time consuming to explore that website thoroughly and you kinda need Microsoft Excel but you can learn a lot. Including salaries of all ALPA employees.
You can narrow or widen your search on that first page by selecting specific forms or reports. You can also see broad budgets for every LEC in ALPA.
I'll save you some time: You are paying a LOT of lawyers a LOT of money.
Last edited by Check Essential; 06-18-2015 at 08:01 AM.
06-18-2015, 08:28 AM
#9689
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes, that is the talking points from the sales team. Problem is the actual TA language doesn't support what they're claiming above.
Carl
Carl
A 1. The DHS or his designee may request further information from a pilot who is required to verifyregarding his sickness or may require a pilot to provide a medical release when:
a. a pilot’s sick leave exceeds a medical release threshold, or
b. verification is required, or has been sought under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide 2.,and the Company withDHS is not able to assess the medical basis for the use of sick leave.
Note: Prior to requiring a medical release, the pilot must first be provided with an additional opportunity to submit verification that is acceptable to the DHS.
2. A medical release will be limited to a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited toto the DHS for:
1a. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, and
2b. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and.
3. If, following the review of information provided pursuant to a medical release, the DHS is not able to satisfactorily assess the medical basis for the use of sick leave, the release may be expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice- President of Flight Operations.
That's the best I can do with the language from the PDF. It sounds to me like the release is limited to:
the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, and
the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave.
As I read it, the way they described in the road show is correct. I guess I should ask, do you have specific language that allows them to get my whole medical file?
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