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Old 05-22-2015 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I do disagree because it actually empowers the negotiators. Most importantly, it keeps everyone honest and hurts their ability to cut side deals in the shadows. Regardless, there's absolutely no excuse for not releasing survey results after the contract is ratified by pilots. Yet the union's position is to never release them. That's simply stubborn arrogance.



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Carl, you selectively read my post.

Because the union is in ongoing negotiations; our survey is used as a guiding document as time goes on. It's not a star chamber issue. Although it may seem like that I think there is a good reason for keeping them closely held.
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Old 05-22-2015 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Harwood is the last person that should be near the negotiating table. He's great with numbers, but his pride and emotional attachment to his product could be disastrous.
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I guess that explains the unanimous vote he received to be a committee chairman.
Yes, the unanimous vote to be the Strategic Planning Committee chair. So explain again how that makes Clamp wrong for his concern about Harwood being anywhere near the NEGOTIATING TABLE?

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Old 05-22-2015 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
I hope you are right. Unfortunately I have heard different, if has and continues to hold the line I will fully support him. What I was told by someone close to the situation is he was more interested in what the ATL reps had to say. I have also seen a few email responses and was less than impressed.

I have recently heard he has realigned himself recently after some recall talk.

I will be at the meeting on the first and ask him what he supports
Please get back to us with your impressions. I hope you're hearing wrong.

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Old 05-22-2015 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes, the unanimous vote to be the Strategic Planning Committee chair. So explain again how that makes Clamp wrong for his concern about Harwood being anywhere near the NEGOTIATING TABLE?

Carl
Bingo!

And he said so happily on here that he was done with union work.
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Old 05-22-2015 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
Carl, you selectively read my post.

Because the union is in ongoing negotiations; our survey is used as a guiding document as time goes on. It's not a star chamber issue. Although it may seem like that I think there is a good reason for keeping them closely held.
Didn't mean to selectively read it. I still disagree. Ongoing negotiations is no excuse because non-Section 6 negotiations are almost always based on contemporaneous events that require mid-course corrections. These events are rarely covered in a Section 6 survey because of the inability to predict future events.

Again, it's an excuse for continuing a top-down management style done in secrecy. It also conveniently allows our union leadership protection against being measured for effectiveness.

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Old 05-22-2015 | 08:05 PM
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I can see your argument. But I respectfully disagree. Even a small amount of Intel is invaluable on the other end of the table.

Always.

I'll leave it there.
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Old 05-22-2015 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
I guess that explains the unanimous vote he received to be a committee chairman.
His election to the merger committee was unanimous because he ran unopposed.

His confirmation as strategic planning chair was fairly contentious. Some raised voices. One person does not typically get to be chair of two major committees.

First time in the last few years someone was successfully separated from the "group" confirmation process. His confirmation was only 13-6.
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Old 05-23-2015 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Raging white
Still waiting for you to put to rest your claim that Carl was lying when he stated you were a rep during C2012. What were your dates of service, so we can make some credibility judgements on both your claims of lying. Thanks.
Should be easy to figure out. Carl and purple claimed that Shiz was voted out because he voted for C12. What rep that cast a vote in favor of C12 sought reelection and lost? I'm not aware of any, though I might be mistaken.

I suspect that (as usual) some are playing fast and loose with the facts to suit their own divisive agenda.
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Old 05-23-2015 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
He's good at data gathering and as a subject matter expert. He successfully gets reps to think he's invaluable in that role. Once inside, he works to destabilize, divide and build a team of support. Once he has that, he always goes too far and gets fired for bad actions and absolutely horrific interpersonal skills. Right now, he's the defacto MEC chairman now that Donutelli has proven to be worthless.

He has a strong set of supporters despite the fact he has an exceedingly low opinion of line pilots. Read back through some of his posts here for review.

Carl
Wow Carl.

For a north guy, you nailed. Just forgot to add extremely arrogant. No matter how hard he tries to be important in the world of ALPA, he'll never measure up to his brother.

Sure trying but at our expense.
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Old 05-23-2015 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Harwood is the last person that should be near the negotiating table. He's great with numbers, but his pride and emotional attachment to his product could be disastrous.
I have flashbacks of the 1.56 ratio.
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