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Old 06-14-2015 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Moondog
I see you conveniently edited out the 15 days section of that excerpt. Another half truth or lie by omission. The devil is in the details. Nice try.
No, I just deleted it because I messed it up.

Verification Threshold is 15 days of missed work in a rolling 365 day
period.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler
How incredibly shortsighted. I'm with Denny; this TA is about way more than dollars. I'm not insulted by the company's financial offer. They should offer us the minimum they think we will accept as that is their job. It's all the other garbage in here. QOL losses that might not seem bad individually, like increasing the TLV, pay no credit for vacation, and OE pull outs, add up to a lot more time at work. Sick leave is a total disaster on its own. Scope is carved out at the top and the bottom. The company reached for the stars on this and our NC gave it to them. Our MEC then punted their responsibility to say no right back to us. Time for us to grow a backbone and meet that responsibility. Easy no vote.
Don't feed the troll. If you must respond, delete the majority of his drivel. He's using psyops 101, trying to put us in a defeatist mood.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
The way I understand it (and I could be wrong since i have only read it once) is that they count your sick time toward your FAR times, so you can't pick up green slips later in the month if it would be a FAR violation. It's not really for picking them up on days you're out sick necessarily.

here's the language: (sorry for the formatting)
f.
A
pilot
will not be awarded
a GS or GSWC
for a
rotation
if the rotation
is within 30
minutes of creating an FAR conflict with the flight and
/or
flight duty period time of a
rotation(s)
on the pilot’s line along with the rotation(s)
that the pilot
missed
or will
miss due to
sick leave
This is not a bad thing, but it does not go far enough. Include ALPA time, LCA time, instructor time and management time. Also include IA and IAWC.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MtEverest
Why don't you copy and paste both sections (old and new) showing this.
Here is POS96 Section 1.B.11

11.“International Partner Flying” means flying performed by any Foreign Air Carrier (who is not an Affiliate) (i) under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Affiliate and/or (ii) as described in (i) above on aircraft on which the Company or any Affiliate has purchased or reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the Company or any Affiliate.

Here's the definition in the TA

42 38. “International partner flying” means flying performed by any foreign air carrier (which is
43 not a Company affiliate):
44 a. under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service
45 marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the
46 Company or any Company affiliate, and/or
1-4
Section 1 – Scope
b. on aircraft on which the Company or any Company 1 affiliate has purchased or
2 reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the
3 Company or any Company affiliate.


The new 1.E.9 proscribes the company from doing what they can do now without MEC Chairman approval.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble
This is not a bad thing, but it does not go far enough. Include ALPA time, LCA time, instructor time and management time. Also include IA and IAWC.
That's a reasonable point of view.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 01:06 PM
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Medical Release Threshold is different altogether from a Verification Threshold.


G. Medical Release Requirement
1. The DHS or his designee may request further information from a pilot regarding his sickness or may require a pilot to provide a medical release when:
a. a pilot’s sick leave exceeds a medical release threshold, or
b. verification is required, or has been sought under Section 14 F. and the DHS is not able to assess the medical basis for the use of sick leave.
Note: Prior to requiring a medical release, the pilot must first be provided with an additional opportunity to submit verification that is acceptable to the DHS.
2. A medical release will be limited to a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to the DHS for:
1a. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, and
2b. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave.

3. If, following the review of information provided pursuant to a medical release, the DHS is not able to satisfactorily assess the medical basis for the use of sick leave, the release may be expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice- President of Flight Operations.


Medical Release Threshold is 24 missed work days in a rolling 365 day period and 56 missed days in a rolling 3 year period. That equates to 128 hours in 1 year and 298 in a 3 year period.

Notice both releases are limited to the sick occurrences.

The myth that the company requires access to ones entire medical record is BUSTED
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Old 06-14-2015 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
Are you afraid to meet me and see that I'm a Delta pilot? Must be. This is an opportunity to prove to the world that you have bagged an imposter, and to score some free beer to boot.
Listen, you are defending a contract that most pilots feel overwhelmingly overflowed the companies shopping cart while leaving them with a pack of gum.

If you are now or have worked within the inside group of our union that is cozy with management, you never have to worry about being targeted by management. Your reputation with your peers obviously means nothing to you. Regular line guys do care and aren't going to management birthday parties. They aren't interested in meeting you so you can nark to your management buddies, pointing as you peak around their shoulder. The same goes for SF, Slowplay, etc. You guys feel invincible with your special management relationships (and hope to someday become management). Of course some people do know you from your work within ALPA under your real name. Your willingness to defend TA2015 taints that name. It will be one of the most epic failures (whether it passes or not) in union history. Your reputation, along with those identified as selling it, will be cast in the same stone.

With that said, I believe a basic rule has been established, that if you post inaccurate or misleading information (misleading includes omitting important details that give a full understanding of good and bad), you should be banned.

If you refuse to include detail point by point of what you are defending, you should be banned. If you continue to incorrectly paraphrase and spin for perception or to create confusion through doubt, then you should be banned. PS- emphatically stating something with condescension does not make it so.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 01:10 PM
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96 was a lifetime ago. seriously. We might as well be discussing Braniff's 1978 contract. Slowplay and his ilk would love for us to get bogged down with these useless comparisons.

There is enough offal in this TA as it is. Let's focus on that.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
No, I just deleted it because I messed it up.

Verification Threshold is 15 days of missed work in a rolling 365 day
period.
Moderators,

Yet another example of misleading. He is resting on "I messed it up" when caught omitting an important detail. One mistake like this and he could be forgiven. He's doing the same type of thing over and over. Sometimes we catch it and sometimes we don't. He's cherry picking in an attempt to change perception.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Here is POS96 Section 1.B.11

11.“International Partner Flying” means flying performed by any Foreign Air Carrier (who is not an Affiliate) (i) under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Affiliate and/or (ii) as described in (i) above on aircraft on which the Company or any Affiliate has purchased or reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the Company or any Affiliate.

Here's the definition in the TA

42 38. “International partner flying” means flying performed by any foreign air carrier (which is
43 not a Company affiliate):
44 a. under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service
45 marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the
46 Company or any Company affiliate, and/or
1-4
Section 1 – Scope
b. on aircraft on which the Company or any Company 1 affiliate has purchased or
2 reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the
3 Company or any Company affiliate.


The new 1.E.9 proscribes the company from doing what they can do now without MEC Chairman approval.
Please post ALL relevant information on this topic from the current contract and the TA. Title both of them and highlight the detail please.
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